Thomas Burnside .....

[Rockford]

Hi again Brian,
Have you managed to find anything more on your John YOUNG bc1854. Maybe his parents never married? Did you try finding him on previous census with surname ALLEN? or perhaps, if this were the case, mum could have remarried and he could be hiding under a stepfathers name.

Hi Karen,

I had thought that John's parents might not have been married - I found a couple of Jessie Allan's working as domestic servants in various places who were the right age to be his mum, but the problem was finding a sawyer called James Young in the same place!!

I never thought that he might have been born John Allan - I've lucked out so far in the census records, but there are three John Allan's born in Cambusnethan (x1) and Dalziel (x2) in 1855 and 1856, which could be him. I took a 50/50 and picked the Cambusnethan one, but it wisnae him. I've no credits for the other two, as I've already spent a fortune this weekend (including some England and Wales certificates - honestly, you'd think it was Christmas) and now need to show some restraint until payday

I'll keep you posted on whatever I find out once my wife gives me my credit card back........

Best wishes

Brian

[Jack]

Hi Karen,
Just thinking aloud....
John BURNSIDE's sister Ann (md. Thos.? McAULEY) was roughly 20 yrs older than Jane BURNSIDE.
And John himself was about 13 yrs older.
Perhaps just coincidence that Ann & John both married McAULEYs.
Anyway, did father Alexander BURNSIDE marry twice?
Firstly to Janet KENNEDY, then later to Margaret McDOUGALL?
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There is this short application for Maria McAULAY.
As you'll notice John's mother's surname is as KENNEDY, but forename unknown.
Maria always has born Ireland on her censuses, but here she says Reid St, B(arony).
Did John unthinkingly just always put the same as himself? ie Ireland.
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Barony Poor Relief Application. D-HEW. 14/18. Page 17058. Dist.3.
15 JUN 1863.
John BURNSIDE's Wife: Maria McAULAY.
32 Orr St.
Married. Husband, 49, b. Ireland. Wife, 46, b. Reid St, B.
Occup - Winder, idle 6 mos, no lodgers.
Married 31 yrs ago by Rev. Mr Larkin, 30 Monteith Row.
Children -
Margaret 15, b. James St.
John 12, b. James St.
Parents - Alexander BURNSIDE & ____ KENNEDY. Both Dead.
Residences -
Present Land...................Barony, 1yr.
Prior, 11 Greenvale St, Glasgow, 12 yrs.
Prior, James St............Barony, 7 yrs.
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Applied to City Parish on 15 Nov 1860,
and was sent to the Royal Infirmary for 9 wks? and got 2/- after she came out.
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Rent 6/8 mo. Gave 2/-
States that her husband being ill of asthma was advised to go to his relations in Ireland.
Settlement - Glasgow. Admitted 30 Jun 1863.
16 Jun 1863 - Roll 2/- wk. till admitted & grant truss?
15 Jun - Notice Glasgow.
17 Jun - Stat. Glasgow.
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There were actually 3 applications for Jane BURNSIDE, but alas nothing that helps identify her siblings.
She married twice - Robert YOUNG (you know of - in 1849) & Robert CARSON (in 1883).
Jane's birthplace & year is consistent throughout - ie Hamilton, 1830.
I'll send them on to you - save cluttering up your post.
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Jack

[karenmcc]

Thank you Jack,

Have looked at Jane YOUNG ms BURNSIDEs DC. And yes, she is widower 1st of Robert YOUNG, 2nd Robert CARSON. She dies 1895 age 60, and her daughter Margaret IRVING thinks her parents are James BURNSIDE weaver deceased and Mary ms McDOUGALL deceased.

Maria's Poorlaw application is interesting, saying her husband has been told to go to his relations in Ireland.

Haven't been able to track down the Mathew BURNSIDE 58 b IRE and wife Elizabeth who are living down the road from John and family in the 1841. Must be some sort of link there.

Have also got James' (bc 1825 from the 1841) death cert. He died 1890 age 65 at Montgomery st Eaglesham, Renfrew. (don't know what he was doing here? maybe staying with a daughter or something) parents are Alexander BURNSIDE and Margaret ms McDOUGALL. There is also a will on SP for this James. I have NEVER found a will for any of my lot. I doubt there would be anything on it to link up to my THOMAS, but will have to look when I work out how to anyway.

Also, when I was looking for John BURNSIDES death I came across one I couldn't help looking at. It was John BURNSIDE d1873 age 95y. The reason I looked at it was because of the location, New Cumnock. The family that my Thomas marries into has ties with Cumnock. This John was the widow of Elizabeth McDOUGALL. His parent are John (ag lab) and Mary ms WALKER. Have looked around on the IGI for this family group and found some records for them in Scotland, but with the father an ag lab they could have been back and for between Ireland and Scotland I suppose. Although it is probably all coincidence.

I wouldn't worry about cluttering up my post Jack, I seem to be doing a good job of it myself:)

Karen

[karenmcc]

Hi All,

for anyone who helped or was following this one, thought I should let you know I viewed the will for James. Unfortunately it only mentions his wife and son, Dugald.

I still believe I have the correct family, although I will not be adding them to my tree. Maybe oneday I will find the info that links them up.

Karen