Census Help .....

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:59 am

Catriona

Sorry for not replying to your earlier post

I hope your still enjoying the banter between Jack and Myself

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:32 am

Hi Stewie,
Awfy sorry to lead you down the wrong path and the waste of your credits in doing so

With some hindsight it does look like John Watson's mother could well have been a Rosanna....
The BC of James Robert Howie LAWRIE isn't too important; the IGI confirms his parents - there can't be many mothers named Sophia Whinnel!
Maybe the line did say James Robert Howie, but i missed the first part of his name. It will be checked!
Jack

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:46 pm

Nae problems Jack, I have “wasted” more than a few credits the last few weeks searching and getting the wrong ones.
I had a look at that James Robert Howie Lawrie too on IGI, I did a parent search for William Laurie and Sophia Whinnell and he was the only one that popped up.
I cant complain about wasting credits, as I have been lucky often in picking the right one.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:41 pm

Hi Stewie,
Awfy kind of you to be so understanding! Must be that good nature you possess

Here are 1881 censuses for 2 of William LAWRIE & Sophia WHANNEL's children.
(i'll not give the outside chances for Robert & Daniel - i've made enough bloomers already!)

By the way, the IGI has 3 children (William & Sophia were in Helensburgh in the mid 1850s).
As was William's mother Mary IRVINE, but still can't find her in 1851.
JOHN LAURIE - Birth: 19 DEC 1857 Row, Dunbarton, Scotland
JAMES ROBERT HOWIE LAWRIE - Birth: 14 AUG 1861 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
SOPHIA LAURIE - Birth: 21 MAY 1864 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 20 Weaver St
Source: FHL Film 0203645 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 12 Page 19
Duncan (Jnr) MC PHERSON M 30 M Easdale (G), Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Brass Finisher
Maria MC PHERSON M 30 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Margaret MC PHERSON 8 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Annie MC PHERSON 6 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
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1881 Census Place: Shettleston, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: John Street 7
Source: FHL Film 0203614 GRO Ref Volume 622-2 EnumDist 14 Page 43
William PERRIE M 29 M Wishaw, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Margret PERRIE M 29 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
John PERRIE U 4 M Tollcross, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
Christina PERRIE U 5m F Tollcross, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daughter
Sophia PERRIE U 17 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law [an error somewhere - should Sophia LAWRIE]
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Jack

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:41 pm

StewL wrote:Catriona

Sorry for not replying to your earlier post

I hope your still enjoying the banter between Jack and Myself

Yes, Stew, still am

Catriona

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:20 am

Hello Jack

Thanks for the Helensburgh births, I think I restricted my search on IGI will have another look.

Decided to have a bit of a break yesterday, and went to see my sister.

Just out of interest I had a look for Wiiliam May's DC and found him deid in 1880 in City Poorhouse usual residence 176 Stirling Street, Pauper formerly Lock Maker, age 33,
Pneumonia a fortnight
informant Janet Laurie mother.

38 Sydney Street.
Parents William May Slater Journeyman Janet Laurie previously May ms Porterfield. So it seems William changed from being a chimney sweep to being a slater?

All the long losts you gave me have been added to family record.

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:58 am

Hello once again Jack

The other day I recieved a copy of the corrupt image from SP/GROS for one Robert Lawrie's DC.

Unfortunately, it is not the one I am looking for.

Robert Lawrie D. 13th April 1867 Middle Church, Paisley Parents James Lawrie (Dec) Mary Sim (Dec).
He died in Paisley Poorhouse.

So it looks like he died much earlier as you suggested.

Just a thought on the Laurie/Lawrie spelling variation, from what I can see this spelling variation appears around the time of Daniel Laurie/Lawrie, depending on which cert you look at

But I have come to expect a spelling variation in this line

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:45 am

Hello Jack

Thanks for the poor relief information.
I was looking at the entries for Mary Irvine with two different places of birth. I think the 1858 entry is the more accurate as it was lodged by her, hence England POB. The second entry is lodged by her daughter in law, with Dromore, Ireland as POB. That was where you said husband Robert was possibly from, so perhaps the D-i-L got them mixed up.

I think you posted this possibility earlier in the thread too!!

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:28 am

Hello once again Jack

Just a stunning revelation during some research today

. I was looking at the census information you gave me earlier this year, after looking on the GWSFH 1851 CD. I didn’t notice it at the time due to the spread of census information given, But I am now pretty sure that the 90 year old William Laurie residing with Daniel Laurie is his grandfather or at least related. Why may you ask, well have a shooftie at the lodger Robert Lindsay in 1851, and bobs yer uncle who is he with in 1861, none other than Mary Lawrie (sic) nee Irvine. The ages are so close it disnae matter,

and of course it is the same address

1851 cens 644-1 (567) Ed 4 p 22 (City - St. Andrews)
132 Gallowgate.
William LAURIE, head, widower, 90, formerly shoemaker, b England
Daniel LAURIE, son, u/m 25, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LINDSAY, lodger, u/m 30, shoemaker, b Fife, FIF
Samuel LINKLES, lodger, u/m 60, shoemaker, b Campbeltown, ARL

1861 cens 644-4 Ed 4 p 11 (St. Andrews)
132 Gallowgate.
Mary LAWRIE, head, widow, 64, binder of shoes, b Liverpool, England
Thomas TRAINER, lodger, u/m 50, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LINDSAY, lodger, u/m 39, shoemaker, b Weymse Parish, FIF

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:49 pm

Hi Stewie,
Good for you, glad to see you're now leaning more towards the usefulness of censuses.

Certainly looks like same Robert LINDSAY who was with 90yr old William LAURIE in 1851,
and at the same address (132 Gallowgate) with Mary (IRVINE) LAWRIE in 1861.

Seems Mary IRVINE, who was married to Robert LAURIE, has taken over the house at no. 132 sometime after the eldery William had died?
IF she was William's daur-in-law (and very possibly was) then why isn't she at no. 132 in 1851?
Her son Daniel & married daur Maria Watson are.
[i still can't find Mary (IRVINE) LAURIE in Glasgow 1851, and her other 2 children William & John were also in Glasgow]

So has she just been accidentally missed out? and it should have read.
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1851
William LAURIE, head, widower, 90
Mary LAURIE, daur-in-law, widow, abt 54
Daniel LAURIE, son, 25
etc
[IF Mary was there, and gave the census information, she could've said son although the relationship was meant to be to the household head.
This is, of course, just me making up things to suit - so best not to take it too seriously!]
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I'd be surprised though if he wasn't the father of Robert LAURIE who died in 1839.
Robert & Mary IRVINE did, as you know, have a son named William.
So maybe just "pencil in" the elderly William as the possible father of Robert? But the chances of proving it has to be rather slim....
Jack

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