Help reading 1861 census Isabella Chalmers birthplace

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:22 am

I just posted a portion of the 1861 Census with an entry for Isabella Chalmers about the fourth line down. The birthplace looks like Montrose, something. Can anyone read what the next word is. The only Montrose I know of is in Angus but this doesn't look like Angus.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1428

Carol

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:36 am

Hi Carol,

The only thing I can guess at is Montrose Crage. Could it be the parish of Craig, which is immediately south of Montrose?

All the best,

AndrewP

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:46 am

Thanks for the URL on this one too Andrew!

Montrose, Crage was what I read, but I was really hoping that someone would come up with something up around Newhills. Isabella was Sophia Chalmers' (my 2x great grandmother) older sister. If the family is from Montrose, that means I need to add a couple hundred more Chalmers and Barclays to my database and start searching in Angus too!

Carol

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:02 am

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Hi Carol

I hate to say it but I agree with Andrew on this one. Crage
I wondered if the enumerator had used the older form of 'S' but not on this census page he hasn't

Maybe one of Andy's excel spreadsheets is going to be needed.

Russell

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:40 am

Small problem, Russell. I have the home version of Vista, doesn't include Excel. But I can upgrade for just another $150. !

Carol

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:15 am

Hi Carol,

speleobat2 wrote:If the family is from Montrose, that means I need to add a couple hundred more Chalmers and Barclays to my database and start searching in Angus too!

Genealogy has a way of snowballing like that

I'm sure we can all sympathize! Face it, the tree is just going to keep spreading

On the up-side, maybe you'll have some new questions to research, thereby keeping us TS members happy and occupied

Have fun!
Sarah

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:02 pm

Hello everyone!

Today was our annual Fall Clean Out the Garage Day. My husband and I walk around in the garage saying, "No! Don't throw THAT out!" until we have all the junk rearranged and a little more space so I'm just now getting to my email.

Thanks to everyone for your input on both of the certificates that I posted last evening. I'm not familiar enough with the parishes to recognize that that was what Crage was when I saw it. I thought it must be an error or there was another Montrose someplace in Scotland. I won't mention what the census transcription did to this one! I'm not sure when I'm going to get back to the Chalmers/Barclay bunch. I was double checking some of my lists when I found those certificates again and still couldn't read them. You'll probably still be hearing from me next year!

Carol

momat · Post by **momat** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:25 am

Hi Carol,
Is this any help?
If the age on the 1861 is 78 ?
The http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ site has what looks like a possible for her in the 1851 census born n ANGUS CRAIG.
The age ls out but that is nothing new!

1851 Census
9 Records found

Piece: SCT1851/192 Place: Ellon -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Ellon Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 171 Page: 14 Schedule: 40
Address: Meiklemill Eslemont

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROBERTSON Alexander Head U M 68 Jp / Farmer 210ac 5 Labrs Aberdeenshire - Aboyne
RITCHIE George Servnt U M 33 Ag Labr/ Grieve Aberdeenshire - Aberdour
BROWN George Servnt W M 27 Ag Labr Aberdeenshire - Ellon
FYFE David Servnt U M 21 Ag Labr Kincardineshire - Banchory
BURR James Servnt U M 16 Ag Labr Aberdeenshire - Ellon
TAYLOR David Servnt U M 13 Ag Labr Aberdeenshire - Ellon
CHALMERS Isabel Servnt U F 56 Housekeeper Angus - Craig
PORTER Elisabeth Servnt U F 43 Housemaid Aberdeenshire - Methlic
ANGUS Jane Servnt U F 13 General Servant Aberdeenshire - Slains

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:21 pm

Hi Maureen,

That's for the try! Unfortunately, I don't think it's the same Isabella Chalmers. I found yours on the 1841 Census living at the same address, but it says she was born in Aberdeenshire. I couldn't find her on the 1861 Census but I haven't tried any wildcards yet. I need another cup of coffee first!

Carol

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:20 pm

Whew! I was trying to get a handle on these Isabellas and it took me some devious searching to find this entry on Ancestry! In case you haven't seen the "transcription"...

1861
126 Gallowgate, Aberdeen Greyfriars, Aberdeenshire
Sophia Clercherd, 61, Head, born New Hill, Aberdeenshire
Ann Clercherd, 31, Daughter, born Inverness, Aberdeenshire, Mill Worker Flax
George Clercherd, 23, Son, born Onne, Aberdeenshire, Mill Wright
Isabella Cholmar, 70, Lodger, born Mentmore, Brage, House Keeper

Wow! What a mess!

Enough to send anyone on a series of wild goose chases...
Is that a new version of Clerihew for you, Carol?

All the best,
Sarah