Where is George?

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:07 am

I have the records listed below for George Dyer.

Between his birth in 1808 and his marriage in 1860 is a big gap. I've search and searched in vain for a previous marriage or census record.

Can anyone find any trace of George between 1808 and 1860?

OPR Birth
7 Aug 1808 Girvan, Ayrshire
to James Dyer, currier, and Marion Logan

SRI Marriage
22 Aug 1860 Tradeston, Glasgow, Govan, Lanark (644/09 0222)
occupation: labourer
to Annie Paterson

1861 Census
Hutchestown, Glasgow, Lanarkshire (644/10 079/10 004)
with Annie and 3 nephews at 3 Salisbury St.,
occupation: labourer in ??? ship yard

SRI Death
27 Aug 1865 Glasgow, Lanarkshire (664/09 0907)
Ship builders labourer, 28 South Coburg Street, Glasgow
Cause of Death: Dropsy, 9 months

Thanks for any and all help,

Marky

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:15 pm

Could he have been at sea? Visiting his grandparents in Ireland? Going about under an assumed name?
I agree you've got a problem here, Marky! I can't find him anywhere either... even in Montana which is otherwise densely crowded with lost Scots

No sign of any adult children from a previous marriage? Was he a widower at his marriage, or single? Who signed his death cert?

Well, I thought it was better to throw a bunch of questions at you than to say nothing at all

All the best,
Sarah

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:12 am

I've wondered about the 'at sea' possibility or perhaps working the docks somewhere outside Scotland. Any thoughts on where or how I might pursue that?

I'm curious about 'Grandparents in Ireland'. I've not been able to get past his parents in Ayrshire and have wondered if maybe they didn't come to Ayr from Ireland. Other than lots of Scots coming from Ireland, did you stumble onto some tidbit that was a hint leaning in that direction? (I can hope, can't I?)

The assumed name theory is too scary to consider for now. (from a genealogy standpoint, wouldn't mind a good scandal if I could document it

)

Montana? Thanks for checking. It hadn't actually occurred to me for some reason.

Marriage cert says: George Dyer, Labourer Bachelor; Ann Patersen, Washer, Widow. If you trust'em to have told the truth and got it all written down right, looks like no previous marriage.

Death cert signed by widow.

But, perhaps interestingly, her death cert is signed by her nephew James Dyer.

James Dyer is not one of the nephews living with George and Annie in 1861. It seems that those nephews are James' younger half-brothers.

The first record I have of this James Dyer is the 1851 census where he is a journeyman shoemaker living among people (mainly shoemakers) with surnames that I do not recognise. Perhaps if I can find earlier records of young Jimmy, uncle George will be near by. (I can hope, can't I?)

This James also named one of his daughters Ann Paterson Dyer. Maybe if I can find Ann's father, James, who according to the marriage cert for George and Annie, was also a shoemaker, I might find young Jimmy.

Thanks for the questions! Sometimes I get stuck on the wrong ones for too long!

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:24 pm

heymarky wrote:Other than lots of Scots coming from Ireland, did you stumble onto some tidbit that was a hint leaning in that direction? (I can hope, can't I?)

Sorry, was just saying that off the top of my head

since when you can't find someone they just might be in Ireland

heymarky wrote: The first record I have of this James Dyer is the 1851 census where he is a journeyman shoemaker living among people (mainly shoemakers) with surnames that I do not recognise. Perhaps if I can find earlier records of young Jimmy, uncle George will be near by. (I can hope, can't I?)

What were his parents' names?

heymarky wrote: This James also named one of his daughters Ann Paterson Dyer. Maybe if I can find Ann's father, James, who according to the marriage cert for George and Annie, was also a shoemaker, I might find young Jimmy.

Was Paterson her maiden name or her first married name?

heymarky wrote:Thanks for the questions! Sometimes I get stuck on the wrong ones for too long!

Any time you'd like some more questions, just let me know

It's answers I'm having trouble with on this one

Sarah

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:10 am

SarahND wrote: What were his parents' names?

James Dyer and Ann Berry. Ann is from Ireland. Actually Ann is probably his step mother. I have never found a record with his birth mother. On his death certificate, his wife (Janet Black) gives Ann Berry as his mother, but in a poor house application she says that his mother died when he was young.

I had an 1841 census record for a James and Ann Dyer both the right ages and a daughter Margrate who was the right age to be Mary, who I knew of from the 1851 census.

Since you got me looking at things from a slightly different angle, I revisited the 1841 census and found that the record I had that I thought was his parents was not. I now have a record (644/01 027/01 007) that lists:

Stockwell Street, Close 79, St Enoch's parish
James Dyer - age 39, Lanark
James Dyer - age 11, Lanark
Mrs. James Dyer - 25, Ireland
Mary Dyer - 3, Lanark
Ann Dyer - 1, Lanark

Now I'm really curious about the other James and Ann just around the corner at 101 High Street!

SarahND wrote: Was Paterson her maiden name or her first married name?

When she married George Dyer in 1860, her father's name was listed as James Paterson, so I think it is probably her maiden name.

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:14 am

I suppose you've seen this one:

1841
Montgomerie St, Girvan, Ayr
Ann McCrorie, 70, born Ayrshire
Robert McCrorie, 45, born Ayrshire, Shoem Mast
Margaret McCrorie, 25, born Ayrshire
Jas Paterson, 45, born Ayrshire, Shoem Master

Doesn't get you very far, unless the McCrories mean something to you? But since George was born in Girvan...

Regards,
Sarah