census help please

[crayspond]

Hi to all,

I am looking for John Purcell on the 1891 and 1901 census. I am interested in the John born 3/04/1783 he married Annie Rodgers born 1782 or 1783. They married in 1904 in Gorbals, Glasgow. I can find his family on the 1881 census in Barony Glasgow but i am stuck after that.
I am going round in circles, i have tried umpteen variations of Purcell. I came up with this one a few minutes ago.

Your Census Search Returns

You searched for: Surname: "p*r*ell"; Use Soundex: Off; Forename: "john*"; Relative Forename: Annie; Sex: "Both"; Age From: 25; Age To: 35; Year: 1901; City: "GLASGOW CITY";
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No Year Surname Forename Sex Age District City/County GROS Data
1 1901 PRETSWELL JOHN M 27 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/11 082/11 016

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I dare not waste 5 credits on it!

Any one any ideas?

Ailsa

[AndrewP]

Hi Ailsa,

What were the parents' names for John Purcell and Annie Rodgers? I am presuming they were all named on the marriage certificate.

I hope you have a typing error in their birth years? Were they born 03-Apr-1873 (John) and 1872-1873 (Annie)?

All the best,

AndrewP

[crayspond]

Hi Andrew,

So sorry yes i typing error 1873 is correct.

Parents of John Purcell are John Purcell and Annie Gray.
Parents of Annie Rodgers are Patrick Rodgers and Annie Grandinson.

It's the usual story - i can get back to John's (above) parents married in 1864 but they were both born in Ireland.... no place name.

Thanks for the interest,

Ailsa

[Bervonian]

I found two John Purcells about the correct age in the 1891 Census:-

Aged 16, Kelvin, Lanark.
" 18, Blackfriars, Lanark.
As he was born in 1873 the 18 year old seems the likelier of the two.

[Jack]

Hi Ailsa,
According to Ancestry that John is...
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1901 cens 644-11 Ed 82 p 16 (Hutchesontown)
25 Morgan St.
John PRETSWELL, head, 27, Railway Goods Guard, b Dunsyre, LKS
Annie PRETSWELL, wife, 27, ---------------------b Pettinain? LKS
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What was your John's occupation when he married in 1904?
It may help find him in 1901.
Jack
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ps, perhaps you know that two of
John PURCELL & Annie GRAY's children were born in Dublin.
Mary - 29 JUL 1866.
William - 18 FEB 1868.
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[crayspond]

Jack,

John's occupation on his marriage cert is Mason's labourer.

I don't think the Pretswell search is him as he was born in Hutchesontown,Glasgow and as you saw on Ancestry that John was born in Dunsyre, i take it LKS means lanarkshire - what do you think?

Dublin yes - that's a good start.

Thanks,

Ailsa

[Jack]

Hi Ailsa,
I didn't think it was John PURCELL either because of the birthplace, and yes LKS = Lanarkshire.
Do a "google" for Chapman Codes - there are a number of sites with the details.
One example is - http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/A26-CHAP.htm
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JOHN PRETSWELL - Birth: 05 AUG 1873, Dunsyre, Lanark
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1881 cens 764 Ed 2 p 4 (Kirkurd - Peebles)
Netherurd Mains, 3..........[with parents Thomas & Margaret]
John PRETSWELL, son, 7, Scholar, b Dunsyre, LKS
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1891 cens 770 Ed 1 p 11 (Stobo - Peebles)
Easter Dalwick Farm House......[with a Gavin Tudhope, farmer]
John PRETSWELL, servant, 17, Farm servant, b Dunsyre, LKS
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So not your John Purcell if this is the same person on all three censuses.
Jack

[crayspond]

Hi Bervonian and Jack,

I went ahead and printed the census for John in Blackfriars age 18. I have put it on the gallery for you to see. It's not a great copy and i find it hard to decipher the address. It looks like a boarding house. Whether it's him i don't know. I was hoping the 1901 census when he was 27 would have him settled with his wife and family even though John jnr wasn't born until 1902 i thought he may have had older siblings.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1474

See what you think

Ailsa

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

[Jack]

Hi Ailsa,
Very difficult to be sure if it's your John in 1891 - but always the possibility.
Ancestry has the address as 18/24 So. Albion St.
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John's older sister Matilda was in Glasgow 1891...
But then disappears...the Purcells are a rather elusive family...
Francis BOYLE married Matilda PURCELL on 17 Nov 1889, Blythswood, Glasgow.
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1891 cens 644-6 Ed 57 p 8 (St. Rollox)
5 Bishop St.
James BOYLE, head, 43, Cloth lapper, b Ireland
Jane BOYLE, daur, 13, Laundry worker, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth BOYLE, daur, 12, Scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
William BOYLE, son, 6, Scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Francis BOYLE, lodger, 22, Brassfinisher, b Glasgow, LKS
Matilda BOYLE, wife, 20, Pottery worker, b Glasgow, LKS ...[ms PURCELL]
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...I was hoping the 1901 census when he was 27 would have him settled with his wife and family
even though John jnr wasn't born until 1902 i thought he may have had older siblings.

Does this mean that John PURCELL & Annie RODGERS had John jnr. before they married in 1904?
--
Jack

[crayspond]

Jack,

Thanks for finding Matilda. Yes you are correct John Purcell was born out of wedlock.

The search continues. One question - Do you think "Blackfriars" was a place in Glasgow? or an institution (e.g.poor house). We searched and we could not find a physical location.

Many thanks

Ailsa