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Census place help please

Post by Tracey » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:08 pm

I found this census on Ancestry which didn’t give too much away but am quietly confident this is my Francis Casey that I have been unable to find on SP. Never thought of searching just an initial before.i.e. F Casey.

1891
Name: F Casey
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Son ?????
Father's Name: J ??????
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/5
Registration district: Blackfriars
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Paul
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 18/24 Soth Albion St
Occupation: Bootmaker
ED: 27
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1891_260
Household Members: Name Age
F Casey 21
J Gibson 21
J McDonald 40
W McLay 22
W McLean 22
James Reid 35
J Sheaver 24
P Walker 34
W Wright 27

Wherever this is the Heads are certainly not the fathers although all the boys are listed as sons.
So i looked on SP and the free header includes...........
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1716

2nd lodging house no 26 / 18 South Albion St Francis Donaghy Proprietor. Number of Inmates including servants about 60

I have a 1901 census for Francis which puts him in 9 South Albion St again in Central Police Office so he was a bit of a naughty boy.
This link is for the 1891 not 1901 census
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1717

Does anyone have an idea of what sort of "Lodging House" this was ?

Thank you
Last edited by Tracey on Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Scotland - Donaldson / Moggach / Shaw / Geddes / Sim / Gray / Mackie / Richards / Joel / Coull / Mckimmie / Panton / McGregor
Ireland and Scotland - Casey / McDade / Phillips / McCandle / Dinely / Comaskey + various spellings

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Post by Tracey » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:11 pm

If it helps i will upload the census as it does have some writing in the Road, Street Name or House section but its almost unreadable - although i can make out "home for" and thats it :?

Added................have uploaded both census and header - hopefully they are awaiting approval
Scotland - Donaldson / Moggach / Shaw / Geddes / Sim / Gray / Mackie / Richards / Joel / Coull / Mckimmie / Panton / McGregor
Ireland and Scotland - Casey / McDade / Phillips / McCandle / Dinely / Comaskey + various spellings

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Post by morgano » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:50 pm

I think that they were places where you could rent a bed for the night, so they were a step up from the poorhouses.

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Post by Tracey » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:37 pm

Thank you Morgano

Given the history of the family that could make sence.
Scotland - Donaldson / Moggach / Shaw / Geddes / Sim / Gray / Mackie / Richards / Joel / Coull / Mckimmie / Panton / McGregor
Ireland and Scotland - Casey / McDade / Phillips / McCandle / Dinely / Comaskey + various spellings

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Post by Lorna Allison » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:47 am

Hello Tracey

How frustrating, only today I returned, to a friend, a book compiled by Corporation of Glasgow, printed 1914 on all things Glasgow. It had a long section on the lodging houses. If you like I can retrieve it and give you the lowdown on the Albion St lodging house. Here are the notes I made for a relative of my husband's:

"Excerpt from: "Municipal Glasgow - its evolution and enterprises" published by Glasgow Corporation in 1914

"...Within the scheduled areas there existed at the date of the passing of the 1866 Glasgow Improvements Act a great number of what were designated "common lodging-houses", conducted by private enterprise, where men and women were huddled together promiscuously in dark and ill-ventilated rooms, without any of the conveniences requisite for decent living, not to speak of healthful existence. These houses, besides being hotbeds of vice and misery, were also centres for the propagation of disease. To destroy such insanitary and unsavoury abodes, however, without providing accommodation of a higher and healthier kind for the class who, whether from choice or necessity, frequented them, would have been not to remedy, but to intensify the evil. The trustees accordingly, at a very early date, after obtaining their act of 1866, took the matter in hand, and in rapid succession constructed and equipped the seven model lodging-houses, which are still retained and successfully carried on by them. "

This deals with Glasgow, who were in the forefront nationally of change and improvement in this respect. It is to be expected that things would be much slower to change in Denny, but no information is yet to hand regarding privately run lodging houses in that area. Suffice to say that John's older brother William died in the lodging house, aged 15, having suffered 2 years of diarrhoea. It is also assumed that Susan died in the lodging house too, although no record of her death exists, since that would be before the Statutary Records came into force in 1855. "

Apparently there were 6 houses for men and one for women. A short time later they built one where a man could take his children and stay in a room with 4 beds, children supervised during the day and/or sent to school. This cost 5/6d a week and you had to provide and make your own food. If you had more children they were accommodated in dormitories for a further 8d, per day per head. I am not clear if women could go and take their family.

Certainly one of the model lodging houses was in Albion Street and at least one was still in existence when I was young. It was just called "the model" as I remember and then was called the Great Eastern Hotel, but it served the same purpose.

Apparently a representative was sent up from London to examine Glasgow's radical new approach to housing the poor and indigent - or so it says in the book, which is a pretty sanitized version for public consumption.

Regards

Lorna
Researching:

PAUL: Lanarkshire;
TORRANCE: Lanarkshire
CROSGROVE: Ayrshire, Glasgow
ALLISON: Glasgow
PRICE: Monmouthshire
CURZON: Staffs, Monmouthshire
TAIT, HUME, MIDDLEMAS,: Roxburghshire
PRINGLE: Glasgow, Central Belt, Edinburgh

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Post by Currie » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:21 am

Here’s an 1899 opinion from New York http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 94689ED7CF

also

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, February 15, 1889
Under the heading Model Lodging Houses is an article on a Glasgow Town Council meeting. It contains an interesting range of views on the system. The property in the article 18-28 South Albion Street is possibly the next in line to the other two mentioned on the census as 18/24 and 26/18.

A minute of the Sub-Committee on Repairs and Leases stated that at a meeting on the 31st ult. there was submitted an offer by Mr Francis Doneghey to take a lease of the premises situated at 18-28 South Albion Street for seven years at a rent of £167 per annum, the same to be converted by him into a model lodging-house for females.

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Post by morgano » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:48 am

I think that the text at the bottom right of the census header page indicates that Francis Donaghy had sold on the lease to someone else just four days before the census took place. It's not clear if this applied to both lodging houses, or just to the second one. I'm not sure about the name of the new lease-holder: "James Paris"?



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Post by Tracey » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:23 pm

Thank you all for you help, i know have a better understanding of a Model Lodging House having never heard of one until now.
Lorna i googled the book you mention and decided not to order one i found at £95 :lol:
When i googled the street yesterday i noticed that allowing for building numbers changing over trhe years no 1 -19 is still an Hotel - the appartment type. Im pleased i saw that as i dont think if ever i am back in Glasgow i would be comfortable staying there.

Many thanks again

Tracey
Scotland - Donaldson / Moggach / Shaw / Geddes / Sim / Gray / Mackie / Richards / Joel / Coull / Mckimmie / Panton / McGregor
Ireland and Scotland - Casey / McDade / Phillips / McCandle / Dinely / Comaskey + various spellings

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Post by Currie » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:15 am

Tracey,

Taking a lead from Lorna’s posting I searched the Internet Archive Texts http://www.archive.org for Glasgow Municipal and there’s a publication there, downloadable in several formats, with quite a lot to say about living conditions in Glasgow and which mentions in detail Model Lodging Houses. It may be worth a read.

Glasgow; Its Municipal Organization and Administration - 1896
http://www.archive.org/details/glasgowitsmunici00bell

Chapter XIX from about page 198.

Alan

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Post by Lorna Allison » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:59 pm

Hesitate to muscle in on your post Alan, but I think Chapter 22, pages 227-229 are the relevant ones. If I am wrong, I apologise in advance :roll:

Great book. I have it bookmarked now. Clearly this was the source for much of the 1914 updated edition.

Lorna
Researching:

PAUL: Lanarkshire;
TORRANCE: Lanarkshire
CROSGROVE: Ayrshire, Glasgow
ALLISON: Glasgow
PRICE: Monmouthshire
CURZON: Staffs, Monmouthshire
TAIT, HUME, MIDDLEMAS,: Roxburghshire
PRINGLE: Glasgow, Central Belt, Edinburgh