1841 census help please

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:02 pm

I am back on the trail of my ancestors in Perth. I am looking for a James Christie - the only mention of him is on his daughter's marriage cert in 1837 in Perth (see gallery).
I have looked at the 1841 census but there are lots to look at. Assuming that he was around 30 - 50 to when Margaret was married in 1837, i have looked at this age group in Perth. I have came up with the following

28 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 42 PERTH /PERTH 387/00 020/00 003
48 1841 CRISTIE JAMES M 44 ERROL /PERTH 351/00 004/00 001
8 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 45 AUCHTERARDER /PERTH 329/00 010/00 005
9 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 45 AUCHTERARDER /PERTH 329/00 005/00 001
14 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 42 DUNBLANE /PERTH 348/00 001/00 027
15 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 50 FORTEVIOT /PERTH 354/00 004/00 001
16 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 60 FOWLIS WESTER /PERTH 357/00 002/00 003
17 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 55 FOWLIS WESTER /PERTH 357/00 001/00 003
18 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 48 KILMADOCK /PERTH 362/00 010/00 005
22 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 40 LOGIE /PERTH 374/00 003/00 007
25 1841 CHRISTIE JAMES M 50 PERTH /PERTH 387/00 030/00 011

Other info is scant, there may have been a brother to Margaret called John but not a lot to go on. I have the 1841 census for Dougall & Mgt in Glasgow but it is her family i am stuck on now.

Thanks for looking anybody,

Ailsa

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:29 pm

Have you looked at FreeCen?

It doesn't come up with all you have above but there's this one?

Piece: SCT1841/374 Place: Logie -Perth Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Logie (Sti) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 7
Address: Westhaugh
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CHRISTIE James M 40 Farmer Stirlingshire(Originally: Perth)
CHRISTIE John M 35 Assistant Farmer Stirlingshire(Originally: Perth)

I think that's the 2nd last from your list. But the John would be too old to be a Son/brother to your James/Margaret

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:58 pm

Hi Ailsa,
If I remember correctly, James was supposed to be a weaver. There are only three weavers in that group, if I haven't missed any.

One of the two 45 yr olds in Auchterarder is a HLW, wife Betty-- can't tell which one from Ancestry, since only the parish number is given and that is the same for the two of them.

There is a 60 yr old Linen H L W in Kenrossie, Collace, Perthshire who doesn't appear on your list.

Then there is a 42 yr old Cotton H L W in Perth, probably the first on your list.

I don't know how to tell which one, if any, is your James.

Regards,
Sarah

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:49 pm

Hi,
WilmaM,
Thanks for the info, it's not impossible that he became a farmer - Dougall was a Baker in Perth then in Glasgow a Saw Sharpener. The only info re John is as a witness on the marriage of James and Margaret's daughter Isabella - may be a cousin? it's very frustrating - if only the wife of James Christie was on the marriage cert it would make life a bit easier. I can't even find a birth for Margaret when she was Christie. She is age 20 in the 1841 census which would make her 16 when she married (i think the 1841 rounded down).

SarahND,

They did name a daughter Elizabeth but there is no trace of her after 1851, if i go with the naming pattern James Christie would have been married to an Isabella. The pattern fits with the other children.

Household Members: Name Age

Dugald McFarlane 35
Dugald McFarlane 2
Elisabeth McFarlane 8 Mo
Isabella McFarlane 14
James McFarlane 5
Margaret McFarlane 31
Margaret McFarlane 7
William Wylie 21

Any of them married to an Isabel or Isabella?

Regards,

Ailsa

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:15 pm

crayspond wrote: Any of them married to an Isabel or Isabella?

Nope. The 60 year old looks like a widower, although of course you can't tell in 1841 since that information is not given. He is living with a family of "Betrie"s. Who knows if that is really what it says. The relation to the head isn't given either in 1841, but the other two look like they have wives Betty and Jean. Of course, these could be second wives, and not the mother of Margaret...

Regards,
Sarah

John Christie · Post by **John Christie** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:47 am

Greetings.
I am a direct descendant of James Christie who was born in Fowlis Wester near Perth in 1776 and died in 1857. he had 19 children, 17 of whom I identified during my research and writing of the Christie family history. He was married twice, his first wife being Isobella Millar and the second Mary Cock. His third child was Margaret who was born in 1808.
This may be of some help to you.
John Christie
New Zealand

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:26 pm

Hi John,

Many thanks for your reply. Do you know if your James was a Weaver ? In the 1841 census Margaret's place of birth is Dovecot Land and she married in Dunning Perth - do you have these places anywhere in your research?
Also was one of the children called John? sorry for all the questions but i had drawn a blank on James Christie and this has reignited my interest !

Regards
Ailsa

Post by **Anne H** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:23 pm

Hi John,

Welcome to TalkingScot. [welcome]

Here's hoping you and Ailsa can make a connection!

Regards,
Anne H

John Christie · Post by **John Christie** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:01 am

Greetings Ailsa and thanks for replying.
Yes, Margaret had an older brotherJohn, born 1801. I do not know the father's accupation other than farming or associated work. They were all born in Fowlis Wester, near Perth, but I haven't heard of the other place.
Perhaps we are looking at different families or different branches of the same family. I can't go back any further than 1724 when a Donald Christie married Catherine Buchan. Keep in touch if you think the connection is there.
Regards.
John

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:55 pm

Hi John,
After looking at my file re Margaret Christie i saw from the marriage cert that they were actually married in Perth.
It states
Dougall MacFarlane Baker in the East Church Parish of Perth and Margaret Christie in the said Parish daughter to James Christie Weaver there (then a line maybe for a signature?) Elder David Wilson (another line) The persons before named were regularly proclaimed and married the sixteenth day of January Eighteen hundred and thirty seven years by the Reverend William Lindsay Assistant minister of the first Relief Congregation in Perth.

If it is the same Margaret as yours it would mean she was about 29 yrs old when she married Dougall. Not impossible but he was born in 1815 which would make him 22.
I will keep in touch if i come up with a link.
Regards
Ailsa