Lost ains - Thomson, 1861 onwards

[Moray_Lass]

Can anyone help with their Census Mojo? [-o<

I started track down some lost ains to fill in some gaps and help find marriages/deaths, but I can't seem to narrow down the possibles in the census. Before I start clicking on all the results in the LDS 1881 census on SP (I've already looked at all the entries for Bellie and Govan [see below]) - can anyone help? And why have a field for birth place on the LDS 1881 census when it doesn't help?


In 1866 3xG Grandmother, Mary Thomson (nee Lobban), applied for Poor Relief listing her 7 surviving children, so I know these three were alive then, but I can't identify them in the 1861 or later census, marriages or deaths.

Ann Thomson
b Dec 1829 Bellie, Banffshire/Morayshire
1851 census - Ann was working with John McKimmie on a farm in Keith as a domestic servant.
c1852 (no OPR found) she gave birth to George McKimmie in Bellie by John - they didn't marry. George was raised by his Grandmother.
1887 George dies, Ann is not marked as deceased, informant was Ann's youngest brother, Adam.

Robert Thomson
b Aug 1835 Bellie, Banffsire/Morayshire
1851 census, farm servant in Bellie

David Thomson
b Aug 1837 Bellie, Banffsire/Morayshire
1851 census with mother and brother Adam (c1842) in Bellie
1861 census, farm servant @ 'Lochineal', Cullen


Additional Info
Sister, Margaret, was @ Winterfield House, Dunbar, East Lothan in 1861 census (came home in 1865 from Glentyan House, Kilbranchan to married a second cousin)
Sister, Mary, working in Deskford, Cullen in 1861 census (you found her under Thampson!)
Brother, George + family, moved between 1861 and 1871 from Buckie to Govan, Glasgow to become a Rigger. George was at sea (White Fish boat) on 1861 census, so not entry.
Brother, Adam, ploughman in Denside, Rathven in 1861, later a Salmon Fisher.

So the women generally are Domestics and the men start out as Farm Servants and often later became Fishers. I'd really appreciate it if someone can see the Thomson's for the trees.

[speleobat2]

Maggie,

Have you seen this site? http://www.burness.ca/ancestors/p2364.htm

Carol

[Moray_Lass]

Hi Carol

Yes I have been in contact with John Burgess, I have given him some of the info on this very generation when Mary Lobban was a big brickwall for me, but his interest lies mainly in the collateral Thomson/Davidson line, there is another John on Rootsweb interested in that Thomson/Davidson line that I have contacted in the past too. So mine gets a mention in both their trees but no detail.

[speleobat2]

Hi Maggie,

I've had that happen several times with trees on Ancestry. Seems like my branch is always on the very edge of their trees!

I tried to find a death extract for Mary Lobban Thomson using John Burgess' date and place of death for her, but wasn't able to find it. Have you ever found it?

No luck on the others, though if you do a search for Ann, no last name, but with all her other information and Banffshire as the county, 3 or 4 matches come up including one that is living in the same town or farm as Mary. I was looking for possible marriages when I did this and I think I used the 1861 census. Did this last evening so I don't remember exactly!

If you have any relatives related to Longmore/Longmuirs around Deskford, let me know. That's my great grandmother's family!

Carol

[Moray_Lass]

Hi Carol

I supplied the date for Mary's death to John Burgess. When I first joined here AndrewP confirmed there is no Death Certificate on SP for her. The date I have came from her Poor Relief entry, she died at 6:45pm. I'd guess that if there had been an informant it would have been my 2xG Granny as she looks to have taken over the tenancy of the cottage.

Never thought of trying a search without surname, thanks I'll get on that tonight. With two of them in the Deskford/Cullen area a third is possible. And the possiblity that she was married makes it all the harder.

Funnily enough I've been visiting Deskkirk for years but to visit my mother's side of the family not this side. No Longmore/Longmuires I'm afraid - so far.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[joette]

Hi Maggie we are related through the McKimmies.George was raised by Isabella McKimmie nee Moir(my 4Great-Grandmother) if my memory serves me well.
Is it his siblings you are looking for? Poor Bella had about three or four of her children's offspring to raise after George(her husband) died.

[Moray_Lass]

Sorry Joette, we've spoken before. No relation, I think. My George McKimmie's parent are Ann Thomson and John McKimmie, and he was raised along with my G Grandmother by their Grandmother Mary Thomson (nee Lobban) in Bellie (at least on census night ). Until I found his marriage certificate I thought he was my G Grandmother's half-brother so I took an interest in him. It is my George's mother and two of her brother I've 'lost'.

[Moray_Lass]

Hi Carol

I couldn't get into SP last night, but I looked in Ancestry - I cross-checked the marriage of every Ann born c1829+/- in Bellie (and a few surrounding areas) in the 1861 census with IGI and none were Thomson And I was wondering - George McKimmie's dc just has Ann Thomson, no other name - wouldn't it have her married name if she had later married?

[speleobat2]

Hi Maggie,

Yes, as far as I know his mother's married name would have been included on the dc, but that would depend on the information that the informant gave. Lot's of shoulds and woulds and coulds to deal with here! What surprises me is that Ann isn't showing up on any of the later census records unless we're just missing her. She should be on the 1871 and 1881 records somewhere. I've just been looking on Ancestry and you know what those transcription errors can do to a search!

I didn't find either Robert or David. Wonder if they immigrated? I didn't get as far as checking the passenger lists.

Good hunting!

Carol

[Moray_Lass]

Thanks Carol

I agree 'shoulds, woulds and coulds', and hardly rare names They are supposed to be alive but... it is so frustrating, I guess I'll go back to on these three. I just wanted to tidy up this generation before I moved on to the generation of Thomson before and their missing ains.