Mulgrew/Milgrew emigration to Canada

[carolineasb]

Hi,

I do not as yet have a subscription to Ancestry or Find My Past & wondered if anyone could possibly check this out for me?

Possible emigration of a "James Mulgrew" (although he was registered in Govan, Glasgow as "James Milgrew") leaving from Southampton bound for New York in 1954. His date of birth was 4/5/1888 and he was the twin of a Thomas Milgrew. I think he may have ended up in Richmond, Canada, as there appears to be some details of him passing away there on 18/8/1965 on the LDS site.

I'm still thinking of taking out a subscription and not sure which of the above sites is the best. I previously thought that the only relatives we had in Canada, we already knew!

Many thanks for any help,

Caroline

[SarahND]

Hello Caroline,

The arrival on August 11, 1954 on the Mauretania gives only minimal information-- Just his name and that he was from Britain and had 3 pieces of baggage.

If you are referring to an arrival on 12 October 1954 on the Queen Elizabeth, then he said he was bound for 1138 Madison Ave, Bridgeport, Connecticut (also with 3 pieces of baggage).

Most of the Canadian databases do not include such recent dates. An exception is the British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990 where there is the record you mentioned, which should help you obtain the death certificate if you would like:

Name: James Mulgrew
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1888
Death Age: 77
Death Date: 18 Aug 1965
Death Location: Richmond
Registration number: 1965-09-010578
BCA Number: B13273
GSU Number: 2033797

Not much help, I'm afraid, but I don't think you'll find more with a subscription since the dates are so recent. I found the above information on Ancestry.com

All the best,
Sarah

[carolineasb]

Thank you, Sarah. This man is my Grandfather's Brother and was one of 15 children.

I had found some info on Ancestry with a free search but it just said 1954 for the Passenger Lists. Are you able to tell if both journeys are the same person?

The LDS site states his exact date of birth for the death registration but I had hoped for more info.

I had always wondered where he had disappeared to as I couldn't find a death here in Scotland. He originally married an Agnes Laurie and had (I think) 3 children with her. Then, James disappears and Agnes has 7 other children - 1 father unknown and 6 with another named gentleman! James & Agnes' Marriage Certificate is not marked as "Divorced", however, the death registration in Canada in 1965 states Margaret Larway is his spouse (I know that she may not necessarily have actually married him). Spookily, his twin, Thomas, married Agnes' sister, Jeanie Laurie! Getting spookier, another sibling, John, married yet another Jeanie Laurie although she had been widowed and this was her married name. And spookier still, the first Jeanie Laurie married a man (after Thomas died) with the same name as my husband!

Caroline

[SarahND]

With all that spookiness, maybe you should just hide under the bed and forget about this family!
The one traveling to 1138 Madison Ave, Bridgeport appears to be accompanied by a Margaret Mulgrew, who is going to the same address. Since you said he died married to a Margaret, I had a further look.
They both appear in the Bridgeport, Connecticut directory for 1954 (found on Ancestry.com). James is a cabinetmaker, employed at 360 Knowlton. His home is at 1138 Madison av.
Margaret is employed as a telephone operator.

They also appear at the same address in 1957. With them are two more Mulgrews: Carol C, a bookkeeper at ASCo and Elizabeth who is a clerk at AC&CCo

James doesn't appear in the directory again, but Carol C, Elizabeth and Margaret stay on until at least 1962.
The 1958 directory kindly informs us that James died Jan 30 1957 age 59. So after all he is not your man.

The other one traveling in 1954 is alone. The two James' identity documents have different numbers. If this means passport numbers, then they are not the same person.

If there were a Carol C and Elizabeth in the family, and that James, although deceased in 1957 age 59 goes on to die again in British Columbia in 1965 having aged 18 years in the last 8, then this family is too spooky for me

All the best,
Sarah

[momat]

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearch
have one James Mulgrew that fits your search with three others by that name traveling at the same time.You can buy small amount of credits to pay as you go to see the documents .
No need for a full subscription.

MULGREW Gwen 1923 F 1954 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
MULGREW James 1926 M 1954 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
MULGREW James 1888 M 1954 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
MULGREW Margaret 1894 F 1954 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW

[carolineasb]

Thank you again Sarah & Maureen.

I think my James might be the first one that Sarah found and Maureen also found. Although, spookily (I'm using that word again!!) the only other Mulgrew child that I can't find a death for is a Margaret but she was born in 1902! And I have found a marriage for her to a Bertie Sheldon who was Irish so she may have gone to Ireland. I don't know the others with him. James (1888) did have a son James but he was born in 1917.

I really should have done all this research many years ago but since my Mum started to get ill (& is now in the latter stages of dementia), for some reason, I have felt the need to find out more about this family. James' parents got maried in Lisburn, Ireland, in 1886 and came over to Glasgow almost immediately thereafter and started having their large family (births from 1887 to 1909!!). My Mum always told me that there were 17 children but I have only found 15 and that agrees with the info on the 1911 census in Glasgow so don't know where the 17 came from. Unfortunately, and sadly!, because of problems with religion, my Mum and her sister didn't really know the Mulgrew family. My Mum was also told that they ran 3 shops. I really don't know how James' father suddenly got money as he was working in the shipyards in Govan for many years and then became a Dealer - perhaps he inherited money from someone back in Ireland?

Anyway, thanks again & I'll definitely think about getting subscriptions (&/or use the pay per view in the meantime)

Best regards,

Caroline

[momat]

Hi Caroline,
The 1915 Glasgow valuation roll has 5 Mulgrews listed as Tenant/ Occupiers.
If you know James's father name I will have a look for you to see if he is one of them.
There is lots of Data on the IGI family site for Mulgrew.

[carolineasb]

Thank you, Maureen.

I tried to find them on the 1913-1914 rolls but couldn't - must be doing something wrong!

My Great Grandparents were Thomas Mulgrew/Milgrew and Sarah McKay/McCoy (obviously the Irish accents didn't help Registrars!). They seemed to move about the Govan area (Greenfield Street/Elder Street etc) as Thomas worked in the shipyards, latterly residing at a House in 88 Barfillan Drive in the Bellahouston area of Glasgow where Thomas died in the 40s. This house is now demolished and newer (1970s I think) houses built where it would have been.

I'm also trying to find out more information to pass onto a Cousin once removed? (her father and my mother were first Cousins) as she hardly knows anything about the family as her Father left Glasgow and went to London at about 14/15 years of age and never went back.

Regards

Caroline

[momat]

Hi Caroline,
1915 valuation Roll.
There is a Thomas Mulgrew at 98 Elder Street Occupation Hammerman
and a Thomas Mulgrew 110 King street Occpation Plater

Have you found them on the census ?

Cheers,

[carolineasb]

Thanks, Maureen.

I think one is father and the other son. The son is the twin of the James the subject of my original message.

I'll check census and the latest certificates I can find to see which is which.

Regards

Caroline