Elise JAne Cudie DOB 1843 Ireland

[jjlmary312]

HI Can anyone provide me with a copy of the birth cert for Elise Jane Cudie. Her parents George Cuddey & Margaret Dolne. She married in Airdrie in 1859 to Thomas Howie. Thanks in anticipation of your help.

[LesleyB]

Hi jjlmary312

Because she was born before 1855 there will be no birth certificate, as birth certificates were only prodiced from 1855 onwards after the start of statutory registration in Scotland. You may be able to find a record of a birth or christening in the OPRs or other church records - have you tried a search on Scotlands People or the FamilySearch web site?

If you have her 1859 marriage entry, you will already know her parents' names so that should help you find her. Also, looking at the 1851 or 1861 census she should have stated where she was born and that should also help you find her, but you need to bear in mind that before 1855 it may be the case that there is no extant record.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Elwyn 1]

The title to your post indicates Elise was born in Ireland. Birth registration there only started in 1864 so you won’t find a birth certificate for her. Unless you know her religious denomination and the townland or parish she was born in, it will be a needle in a haystack to find her. The name Cuddy (and variants) is common across Ireland though statistically she may well have come from Antrim or Down.

I would check all censuses in case any reveals a place of birth more specific than Ireland.

Not sure about the mother’s surname of Dolne. There are no Dolnes anywhere in Ireland in the 1901 Irish census. Suspect that may be a mistranscription. Worth checking it, with say information on her death cert.

Elwyn

[LesleyB]

Thanks for noticing the title of the post, Elwyn - I read the post but did not read the title where the major clue was!!

[nelmit]

I had a look earlier today at the transcribed census records and they all just gave Ireland as her place of birth. In 1851 she was living with her grandmother Margaret.

A search at SP found that a Margaret Cud*/Doak of the correct age died in 1857 at Airdrie.

A parent search at familysearch.com for George Cuddie and Margaret Doak gives 3 results at Dromore, Down in the early 1820s.

Could the person who registered Eliza's death have got her parents mixed up with her grandparents?

Regards,
Annette

[Elwyn 1]

Could the person who registered Eliza's death have got her parents mixed up with her grandparents?

Inaccuracies on death certificates were widespread. The Registrar relied entirely on the knowledge of the informant. If the informant was say a grandchild who had never met the deceased’s parents, it would not be surprising if they occasionally got a name or an age wrong.

(I registered a death in Sussex in 2013. I had documentary evidence of the deceased’s date of death, place of death and name from the doctor. However the rest of the information on the death certificate eg maiden and previous names, date of birth, occupation, husband’s name and occupation etc was simply recorded as I gave it. If I gave incorrect information the Registrar would probably not have known and certainly didn’t challenge me. So consider how it may have been 50 or 100 years ago when there was no generally documentary evidence to produce even if challenged).

[jjlmary312]

Hi, Thanks for all your help. Can u give me a step by step guide to get into the 1851 census for the above person. Did u look in the Scottish census or Irish census? Thanks again =D> =D> =D> =D> .

[jjlmary312]

HI
If you could send me the link for the Irish Census that would be appreciated as I am not sure how to get this. Regards, Caroline

[nelmit]

HI
If you could send me the link for the Irish Census that would be appreciated as I am not sure how to get this. Regards, Caroline

Hi Caroline,

It was in the transcription of the 1851 Scottish census I found her with her grandmother. As usual the spelling is awful.
Margt Cudey 62 born Ireland
Robt Cadey 22 son, born Ireland
Elizabeth Cuday 10 grandaughter, born Ireland
James Barns 10

If you search at SP for Elizabeth Cud* age 10 you'll find her although I haven't looked at the original to confirm this.

It looks as though Robert returns to Ireland and marries Elizabeth Steel at Dromore in 1859 then comes back to Scotland.

Name: Robert Cuddie
Spouse's Name: Eliza Steele

Event Date: 26 Sep 1859
Event Place: Dromore, Down, Ireland
Father's Name: George Cuddie
Spouse's Father's Name: Alexander Steele

What does Eliza say about her parents on her marriage entry?

Regards,
Annette

[jjlmary312]

Hi
Thanks for the information. I looked at the 1851 census for Eliza Jane and it says the same info that you gave re regarding brother, gran and James. My copy that I have just pulled off is
very faint. On the marriage cert 1859 for Thomas Howie and Elise Jane Cudie it says George Cuddey Labourer and Margaret Dol cannot read the last word. On her death cert it says
....Cuddie Farmer Labourer and mother Margaret Cuddie MS Doak. Thanks for the help