Dundee 1905 Pub Black-list Book Up for Auction

[WilmaM]

There's an article on the BBC News about a book up for Auction.

It's a 1905 list of persons black listed and circulated around the pubs of Dundee, complete with photos address and descriptions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t ... l-27052505

A collection of mugshots dating back to 1905, which warned publicans of drunken Dundonians, is to go under the hammer.

The folio of forms was issued to local landlords warning them not to serve the pictured people, who had been convicted of being drunk and incapable.

Forms note "riotous behaviour" by the barred drinkers, with physical descriptions including "awanting a left eye" and "wanting teeth".

Auctioneers Curr and Dewar hope they could sell for several hundred pounds.

The forms list the name, address and occupation of the pictured miscreants, most of whom are female millworkers, many of them Irish immigrants.

The collection of 40 forms was entrusted to publican John Kennedy of Polepark Road, warning him against selling alcohol to the people listed.

It would be wonderful if whoever buys it makes it available on-line.
Not that I've any known Dundee or drunkard connections!

[nelmit]

I wonder if Robert Wightman would do 'look ups' - I'm sure my other half must have somebody in there?

Regards,
Annette

[Currie]

I had a rant about this when Ancestry dug up one for Birmingham a few years ago. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14887&hilit=inebriates

I found out quite recently that my GGGrandmother was quite high up in the town drunk profession in Sydney NSW in the 1850s. I really don't want to see a photo of her being forced by the police to stand before a camera in such demeaning circumstances.

Her name was left off the death certificates of her husband and all of her children right up to the 1920s so I knew something was up. She made the newspapers quite often but I still haven't found a death certificate for her. Perhaps they knocked her on the head and buried her in the backyard.

These surviving blacklists of photographs originated from pubs and breweries, the very organisations that supplied the substance that led to the ruin of the individuals shown. I seem to remember reading somewhere that there were official instructions that they were not to be released to persons not authorised to receive them.

All the best,
Alan

[nelmit]

Sorry if offended anyone.

Through my own research I discovered that my gggran was an alcoholic and always in and out of prison. She outlived all but 4 of her 14 children (most of who died when they were babies) and her two youngest were taken away from her so I suppose alcohol was her 'escape'.

I would love to discover her photo in a book somewhere even if it was on a blacklist.

Regards,
Annette

[Ina]

Annette,

My great granny was always drunk.......not sure if she was alcoholic or not. She also had a little snuff box and would put the snuff on the back of her hand and sniff it into her nose. As a child I would sneak down and visit with her, although my mother would have killed me had she known (my mother didn't approve of her). I loved to visit with her and listen to her sing all the old songs. Happy memories for me even though she was drunk. Don't know if she was ever arrested LOL.

Ina

[Currie]

Annette, you are much too nice a person to offend anyone, as are the rest of the posters on this thread, so far.

I don't mind reading newspaper articles about GGG's misbehaving, it's just the thought of photographs that turns me off completely. Here's one of her articles, I'll not include her full name in case it's googled up by some 4th cousin, or whatever, hoping for a tearful reunion. Needless to say the lady was Irish.

Bell’s Life in Sydney and Sporting Reviewer, Saturday 20 January 1855.
Daniel in the Lioness's Den.—
A fine, portly Amazonian looking young woman, named Honora D*n*v*n, who had an infant in her arms, was brought before the Magistrates by Sergeant Doherty, for being inebriate on the previous evening, and for committing an outrageous assault and battery upon the magisterial person of Daniel Egan, Esq., J. P. Mr Egan gave evidence from the Bench, and as some of his words were inaudible in the reporter's box, we have some hesitation in stating whether Daniel was in Mrs Donovan's house, or the latter in Daniel's house, when the scrimmage occurred.
Daniel stated that Honora was drunk; that she boxed his ears, d—d his eyes, and gave him a kick in his porter cask which almost doubled him up. He added that in his opinion Honora was the worst woman in the world, and perfectly incurable.
Police Magistrate—We'll, ma'am, what have you to say for yourself?
Honora (trying to blubber) — I'm werry sorry.
The P. M. ordered her to he bound to the peace for three months in a bond of £20, and to find a surety in £10, or to be imprisoned during a month.

“The worst woman in the world”. Beat that.

All the best,
Alan

[StewL]

Weel! Alan
That will take some beating on others family trees.
I wonder if one of my great grandfathers rated at mention in one of those pub lists, he died an alcoholic.