Name Question

[BrainA]

The marriage certificate for my GGG (Maternal) Grandparents (Robert Inch & Ann Lumsden). Married 31. 12. 1862 in Dalkeith, shows the brides mother as Helen Wighans, M.S. Anderson. Does this mean she was already/previously married and therefore, not married to Ann's Father (William Lumsden). Were they divorced and Helen had re-married a Mr Wighans? I can find no record of Helen's Death.

[speleobat2]

Do you have any other info on the family? Children's names, Robert's occupation, William's occupation? There is a death cert. on SP for an Annie Inch widow of Robert Inch, Carter, who died July 24, 1924 in Leith, Edinburgh. Her father was William Lumsden, blacksmith, and her mother is given as Ellen Lumsden ms Templeman. Both parents are deceased. The witness is George Inch, son. This family is fairly easy to follow through the census records.

Carol

[speleobat2]

Two marriages that you might want to investigate: 1848 William Weighand married Ellen Templeman in Newbattle, Cockpen, Midlothian on Oct. 6, 1848 and on Nov. 7, 1848 also in Cockpen, Midlothian William Weighand married Helen Templeman. The Weighand name sounds like Wighan and either would give you a Ellen/Helen. I haven't found the Lumsden connection yet, but I'm thinking that if Ann's birth mother died soon after she was born then she might not have known what her birth mother's name was. The other confusion could simply be a matter of time passed. Her youngest son was not born until 1891 and he was the one providing the information for her death cert. in 1924. I'm out of credits for SP for now so I won't be able to add to this.

Carol

[BrainA]

Thanks for the above info. The name Wighans is unlikely to be a corruption of Weighand, more likely from Wighaus. On The marriage certificate for Robert Inch and Ann Lumsden, James Weighand witnessed Ann's 'mark' as her signature. I am sure the Annie Lumsden who died in 1924 (at 144 Comiston Rd.) is the same Ann Lumsden married to Robert Inch, the Leith address (Usual place of residence 17 Burlington Street) is connected to my family and her age at death fits. I have no knowledge of a connection to the name Templeman, but that's one to follow up.

[AndrewP]

... at 144 Comiston Rd.

Hi BrainA,

I don't know if you are aware of 144 Comiston Road - it was the address of the gatehouse of Edinburgh City Poorhouse. The address was used for registration of births, marriages and deaths in the Poorhouse.

All the best,

Andrew P.

[BrainA]

... at 144 Comiston Rd.

Hi BrainA,

I don't know if you are aware of 144 Comiston Road - it was the address of the gatehouse of Edinburgh City Poorhouse. The address was used for registration of births, marriages and deaths in the Poorhouse.

All the best,

Andrew P.

Thanks Andrew, I knew that only from reading another post on the forum (useful place this). I am surprised she was placed in Comiston, being a 'Leither'. The address of usual residence is 17 Burlington Street, Leith at death. I don't know the procedure(s) and circumstances used to place people in Poor Houses. Leith had two in the early part of the 20th C. Perhaps there were no available places.
Regards, Brian

[AndrewP]

Hi BrainA,

Was she born and raised in Leith? The parish responsibility, including the provisions of the Poor Laws, was normally up to the birth or childhood parish. The Edinburgh City Poorhouse would have covered the original City Parish (pretty much the "old town" - predominantly the area either side of the Royal Mile, from just outside the Castle, down to the Netherbow Port - at the crossroads nowadays of St Marys Street and Jeffery Street). Beyond the City Parish, St Cuthberts Parish and Canongate Parish had their own poorhouses; as did North and South Leith. Had she any origins in Edinburgh City Parish?

All the best,

AndrewP

[BrainA]

Hi BrainA,

Was she born and raised in Leith? The parish responsibility, including the provisions of the Poor Laws, was normally up to the birth or childhood parish. The Edinburgh City Poorhouse would have covered the original City Parish (pretty much the "old town" - predominantly the area either side of the Royal Mile, from just outside the Castle, down to the Netherbow Port - at the crossroads nowadays of St Marys Street and Jeffery Street). Beyond the City Parish, St Cuthberts Parish and Canongate Parish had their own poorhouses; as did North and South Leith. Had she any origins in Edinburgh City Parish?

All the best,

AndrewP

There is no connection with Edinburgh I can find. She was born in/at Cowdenfoot (east of Dalkeith) and married in Dalkeith, her husband was born in Biggar and worked near Dalkeith. The family moved to Leith and raised their family there. Her death cert. was signed by one of her sons and his address is given as Hope Terrace, Leith. The family connection to Edinburgh came five generations later with my mother's marriage (she was also born, raised & schooled in Leith) when my parents 'moved' to the city. She was my GGGG Grandmother (b. 1843).
Regards, Brian

[nelmit]

Two marriages that you might want to investigate: 1848 William Weighand married Ellen Templeman in Newbattle, Cockpen, Midlothian on Oct. 6, 1848 and on Nov. 7, 1848 also in Cockpen, Midlothian William Weighand married Helen Templeman. The Weighand name sounds like Wighan and either would give you a Ellen/Helen. I haven't found the Lumsden connection yet, but I'm thinking that if Ann's birth mother died soon after she was born then she might not have known what her birth mother's name was. The other confusion could simply be a matter of time passed. Her youngest son was not born until 1891 and he was the one providing the information for her death cert. in 1924. I'm out of credits for SP for now so I won't be able to add to this.

Carol

I may be adding to the confusion but William Weighand's daughter Janet had a middle name of Lumsden.

What was Ann's address when she married in 1862?

Regards,
Annette

[speleobat2]

Hi Annette,

I don't have the marriage cert. so I don't have that address, but if you look at the birth notice the parents are William Weighand and Christian Scott. If you then look at the 1841 Census, William's wife is named Christian and the first three children are Archibald, Christian and Janet. On the 1851 Census, William's wife is Helen and the first three children are Archibald, Christian, and Janet. I'd guess that William's first wife died and he married Helen/Ellen. I'm also guessing that she is Ellen/Helen Templeman Lumsden and the William Lumsden who was named as Ann Lumsden's father probably also died leaving Helen/Ellen to marry William Weighand. On the 1851 Census they have a daughter Ann who is 5 years old and could be Ann Lumsden. Just throwing things at the wall to see if something sticks!

Carol