1851 Census Lookup for Glasgow .....

[momat]

Can any one help me PLEASE with a look uo for 1851 Census around the GLASGOW/LANARK area for an ALEXANDER MATHIE (Labourer)
wife ELIZABETH.
Both of the above died prior to 1858 but I cannot find DCs for them.
I know of one son WILLIAM who would be 13/14 years old in 1851.
Thank You

[Jack]

Hi Maureen,
I think i can see the family in 1851, but there is no father Alexander MATHIE - just Elizabeth (44) & 5 children.
Will get details next week. By the way, what is Elizabeth's maiden name?
If this is your William MATHIE & Agnes McBRIDE, then the Ann "MATHIESON" who married John HART could well be his slightly older sister.
Seems John & Ann had Elisabeth before they married.
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WILLIAM MATHIE
AGNES MCBRIDE
Marriage: 16 JUL 1858 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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JOHN HART
ANN MATHIESON
Marriage: 12 OCT 1857 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

ELISABETH HART - Birth: 02 DEC 1856 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
....................[Parents: John HART & Ann MATHIESON]
MARY HART - Birth: 05 APR 1859 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
...................[Parents: John HART & Ann MATHIE]
JANET HART - Birth: 20 NOV 1861 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
...................[Parents: John HART & Ann MATHESON]
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And this might be William's unmarried elder sister Janet.
1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 168 Gallowgate
Source: FHL Film 0203647 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 49 Page 12
Janet MATHIE U 45 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Warehouse Worker
==
Jack

[momat]

Hello Jack,
Thank you for helping.
Elizabeth Mathie M S was LETHAM / LATHAM not certain of writing on documents.
William Mathie is the Correct one as he was married to Agnes McBride
I Have the 1881 Census that shows all of Williams family of 8 children and there is a Janet aged 2 so it is not that one.Shw may be Alexanders Sister?

thanks again.

[Jack]

Hi Maureen,
The reason i was thinking that Ann "MATHIESON" was William's sister is because of these censuses.
Full details next week.
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1851 622 (577) Ed 37 p 16
Elizabeth MATHIE 44
Janet 20
Alexander 18
Ann 15
William 14
John 12
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1861 cens 644-1 Ed 119 p 24
Janet MATHIE 27, b Parkhead
Ann HART 24, b Glasgow
Elizabeth HART 4, b Glasgow
Mary HART 2, b Glasgow
Agnes MATHIE 22, b Paisley
Agnes MATHIE, abt 1, b Glasgow
[can't see Alexander MATHIE b1858, and no mention of hubbies for Ann HART and Agnes MATHIE]
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But of course it may all be coincidence, and i'm looking at the wrong family altogether - not unknown for me to do that!

Jack

[momat]

Hi Jack,
There is a possability there.
I will have to go back to S P and check out "ANN".
I only know that on William's marriage to Agnes 1858 it states both his parents are deceased.

[Jack]

Hi Maureen,
Here are the census details, and also found a possible for Elizabeth in 1841; the "P.P." may mean Parish Pauper? Hubby Alexander recently died?
Can't see an Alexander "MATHIE" abt 8yrs anywhere, with anyone, in Glasgow 1841 to suit, but he shows up as an 18yr old in 1851; rather odd. Maybe his name was just missed out when filling in the census schedule?
Or once the all Scotland 1841 censuses come online at SP you might find him.
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1841 cens 622 Ed 232 p 5 (Barony - Milton)
Castle St.
Elizabeth MATTHEW [sic], 40, P.P., b LKS
Janet MATTHEW, 11, ------ b LKS
Ann MATTHEW, 6, --------- b LKS
William MATTHEW, 3, ---- b LKS
John MATTHEW, 1, ------- b LKS
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1851 cens 622 (577) Ed 37 p 16 (Barony - Milton)
74 Parliamentary Rd.
Elizabeth MATHIE, head, widow, 44, shawl fringer, b Parkhead, LKS
Janet MATHIE, daur, u/m 20, thread winder, b Glasgow, LKS
Alexander MATHIE, son, u/m 18, iron worker, b Glasgow, LKS
Anne MATHIE, daur, u/m 15, shawl fringer, b Glasgow, LKS
William MATHIE, son, 14, app. blacksmith, b Glasgow, LKS
John MATHIE, son, 12, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 cens 644-1 Ed 119 p 24 (Barony)
4 Hartfield St.
Janet MATHIE, head, u/m, 27, cotton thread baller, b Parkhead [sic], LKS
Ann HART, sister, marr, 24, potter's wife, b Glasgow, LKS
Mary HART, niece, 2, -------------- b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth niece, 4, --------------- b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes MATHIE, niece, 1, ------ b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes MATHIE, sister-in-law, marr, 22, powerloom cotton weaver, b Paisley, RFW
[that was the name order]
[wonder where the hubbies are - strange that both are missing!]
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This is only a possible for Alexander - a bit of checking needed - his DC maybe?
ALEXANDER MATHIE ; MARY CROSSAN
Marriage: 02 APR 1854 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
&
ALEXANDER MATHIE; MARY CROSSING
Marriage: 02 APR 1854 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland

ISABELLA b ~1854 Dalziel
ALEXANDER MATHIE - Birth: 07 MAR 1856 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN MATHIE - Birth: 03 DEC 1857 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM MATHIE - Birth: 09 DEC 1859 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
ELIZABETH MATHIE - Birth: 26 JAN 1862 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
MARGARET MATHIE - Birth: 06 JAN 1864 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
ALEXANDER MATHIE - Birth: 02 DEC 1865 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
MARY MATHIE - Birth: 19 JAN 1868 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
JANET MATHIE - Birth: 17 APR 1870 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
JAMES MATHIE - Birth: 22 MAY 1872 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
==
1861 cens 639 Ed 3 p 28 (Dalziel)
177 Queen St, Motherwell.
Alexander MATHEWS [sic], head, marr, 28, labourer in iron works, b Glasgow, LKS
Mary MATHEWS, wife, marr, 27, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
Isabella MATHEWS, daur, 7, scholar, b Dalziel, LKS
John MATHEWS, son, 3, ----------- b Dalziel, LKS
William MATHEWS, son, 1, ------- b Dalziel, LKS
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1881 Census Place: Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 13 St Vincent Place
Source: FHL Film 0203626 GRO Ref Volume 639 EnumDist 4 Page 42
Alexander MATHIE M 49 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Works Labourer
Mary MATHIE M 48 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
John MATHIE U 23 M Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Blacksmith
William MATHIE U 21 M Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Puddler
Elizabeth MATHIE U 19 F Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Domestic Servant
Alexander MATHIE U 15 M Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Blacksmith
Mary MATHIE 13 F Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Janet MATHIE 11 F Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
James MATHIE 9 M Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Robert MATHIE 6 M Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Thomas MATHIE 4 M Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
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Jack

[momat]

Hi Jack,
A very BIG thank you for all that data.
It is most appreciated.
I shall sit down and digest it and see if it throws out the answer .
Will let you know if I find the "Hubbies".

Cheers.

[momat]

Jack,
Just to say I found out what happened to Alexander Mathie Born 1833
age 18 on the 1851 Census.
He died 1865 age 31 Heart Failure and was widower. ??

Cheers.

[Jack]

Hi Maureen,
Very pleased to hear you've found Alexander's DC. I'd only based my guess on the possibility that he'd used a naming pattern for his children.
i.e. the 1st son being Alexander (his father) & the 2nd daur Elizabeth (his mother).

May i ask what his wife's name was, his occupation, the informant on DC, and address where he died?
If it was the west of Scotland i could try and find him in the 1861 census.

Ta - Jack
ps, as i said earlier - it's not unknown for me to be looking at wrong families!

[momat]

It appears to be the correct family as most of the naes have been used repeatedly down into this generation (my Husband James ) family

Alexander Mathie died 1865 Occ Ship /House Painter
Wifes name Mary McIlwee ? DEC tried uplifting that one last night from SP and was given a completly wrong file and await S P 's reply
Parents to alex are JAMES MATHIE / MARGARET WISHART .Can't find her on SP .
DC Informant signature was ELZABETH MATHIE sister

Cheers