Delivery by Carrier Pigeon

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Sobil
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Delivery by Carrier Pigeon

Post by Sobil » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:10 am

Since the postman hasn't got a clue I have to deduce SP still use carrier pigeons.

Whilst I would not expect a Government organisation to be run to commercial business standards, I still do not see how they can take what is now 20 days and still counting to recover a Minor Mariners Record. If the records are kept in any sort of order a few minutes would suffice. To produce a certified copy (I assume this is what they do) a few minutes more, to place it in an envelope and run it through a franking machine.....

If backlog is their problem their staff ought to be on flexi-time and told every order must be cleared within 48hours. Presumably the load lightens naturally around the holidays when everyone has their minds on other matters and the staff can shop and party to their hearts content. Bureaucracy is the invention of governments to give everyone a rubber stamp to make them feel important and woe betide anyone who tells them otherwise and dares to suggest the words "Civil Service" imply there is a customer out there.

When was the last time they asked for a photocopy and were told it would take weeks? :x
Looking for John Robert McColl born around 1854, son of James? both shipwrights or similar possibly from Kilmacolm

runepriest
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Post by runepriest » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:32 pm

I feel your pain. Where I live, (Manitoba, Canada) the provincial vital records department has an eight week window to send you vital records. If you provide them with the document number, it still takes eight weeks to maybe receive the information.

I asked what the difference was, considering the advantage to the file number, but I was just given a blank look by the clerk

Brian
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Sobil
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Post by Sobil » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:14 am

Thanks Brian,

I think we should all kick up a stink about this, they won't change otherwise. Breaking tasks down into miniscule parts is for five year olds and the last time I looked it was illegal to employ minors so they must have some adults in the building. If everyone sent a complaint with each order demanding a written response they'd soon buck up.

Bet they fill in their budget/expense forms with more alacrity :wink:

Sobil
Looking for John Robert McColl born around 1854, son of James? both shipwrights or similar possibly from Kilmacolm

sporran
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Re: carrier pigeons

Post by sporran » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 am

Hello Sobil,


would you provide a brief summary of how and when you made your request, and subsequent communications received from SP.


Regards,

John

Sobil
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Post by Sobil » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:25 am

Hi John,

The Mater left to visit her first Great Grandchild last night so she is incommunicado at the moment, back in a few days. She's pretty peeved so I'm sure she will have something to say when she returns. (Where do you think I get it from :lol: )

Sobil
Looking for John Robert McColl born around 1854, son of James? both shipwrights or similar possibly from Kilmacolm

Mykayla's Gran
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Post by Mykayla's Gran » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:18 pm

Sobil, congratulations on the new arrival to your family! I hope you thoroughly enjoyed your visit to see the wee one, and that everyone is happy and thriving and taking lots and lots o’ photies for future generations to ponder over!

On the not so happy subject of your problems with SP, I can just feel your frustration …… :x …… ! However, I think some of the problems must be down to whoever deals with the enquiries at their end (at least some of the time). I’ve just had a really good response from them and felt I should give credit to the very efficient person who helped me ……. !

A month or two ago I downloaded an 1871 census for Joseph Wilson and his family residing in Dundee and it was mostly illegible – only the fact that I knew who I was looking for helped. Sadly, one of the older children (Jessie) was missing, and as she was too young to marry I thought that she must have died. However, taking heed of the posts on the subject on TS I sent off a contact form. The very next day I received an email agreeing that it was pretty much unreadable and that a new copy would be sent out to me – AND my credits would be refunded. Happily, I was amply compensated credit-wise and within a few days I received an A3 and also an A4 page of the census, sent first class post accompanied by a very nice letter. So, I intend emailing my appreciation to Eileen Thomson from ScotlandsPeople for a very fast, efficient and courteous service. =D>

It’s a pity that SP couldn’t keep you and the others who are having problems informed if there are added problems with requests. It makes the wait for information so much more acceptable if you at least know what’s going on and that they’re trying to put things right.

By the way, regards the census I was sent – I was over the moon when I saw that my Wilson family filled half the page in one way or other – three of the families were my relations and lo and behold, there was the missing Jessie, aged 15, keeping her cousin Helen Taylor company in another dwelling in the same land. (If I recall rightly, Helen’s husband was a seaman and was probably at sea on census day – I’ll have to check that again.) Also, I had wondered for years where my gran’s middle name (Baillie) came from. Again, another mystery solved – on that same census (living upstairs or doonstairs or on the same plettie – wha kens or cares) was Helen Baillie (nee Walker) my gran’s maternal auntie! It’s amazing how such little things can make you so happy with this genealogy thingymajig, isn’t it?

Anyway Sobil, I hope you get things sorted out with SP and, again, many congratulations on the birth of your great grandchild :D

Regards -
Vee
McGillivray Nicolson SKYE
Whyte Grant Keith Roberts Low Wright Lamond Wilson Walker ANGUS
Morrison Forbes Gillan BANFFSHIRE
Milne Reid ABERDEEN
Chalmers Crighton Cleugh FIFE
McGrath Gibb IRELAND (Westmeath?)

Sobil
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Post by Sobil » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:05 am

Thanks for that Vee :(

The Mater is my mother, not myself! It's my nephews child, who despite all my pleadings to christen the new born "Braticus Maximus" (after his father) has opted for something a little more mainstream..... Rowan!

Sobil
Looking for John Robert McColl born around 1854, son of James? both shipwrights or similar possibly from Kilmacolm

Mykayla's Gran
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Post by Mykayla's Gran » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:06 pm

Sobil, what can I say - :oops: :oops: I am so sorry for jumping to conclusions. I hope you can forgive my lapse. For some peculiar reason I got the impression that someone had posted for you because you were ‘away’. If nothing else my nearest and dearest had a good laugh at my expense! I’m afraid I have to admit to being a little dippy on occasion :? – it even takes me by surprise sometimes. As my dear old mum used to say, auld age doesn’t come by itself!

On the more serious note of naming the wee one though, I cannot imagine why your nephew wouldn’t take your advice – Braticus Maximus does have a certain ring I would agree 8) Maybe he was worried his wee tot’s pals would shorten it. Braty Maxy doesn’t have quite the same ring, does it? Ah well …. Rowan’s a good choice though! There’s a hint of the Gaelic in there I’m sure …… :D

Regards

Vee
McGillivray Nicolson SKYE
Whyte Grant Keith Roberts Low Wright Lamond Wilson Walker ANGUS
Morrison Forbes Gillan BANFFSHIRE
Milne Reid ABERDEEN
Chalmers Crighton Cleugh FIFE
McGrath Gibb IRELAND (Westmeath?)

Sobil
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Post by Sobil » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:18 am

Hi Vee,

It's all right, I've cheered up. My neighbours maid upset me when she thought I was older than I was. Their son thought I looked much younger than his mother...... which puts me in my twenties :D and I believe everything a ten year old tells me (my only doubt was when he asked me where England was - a globe for Christmas should fix that) :lol: !

Sporran,

Back to my dilema, the Mater is now home n'avec the SP envelope (and why on earth does her postman only deliver at 1.30pm - what ever happened to reading the morning post?).

The Credit Card was debited on the 29th September, the SP confirmation arrived on the 30th. The email has a very nice "Contact Form" link in case of difficulty..... which then takes you to four more pages which you have to read to ascertain which of their vague descriptions matches your dilema.... none state clearly "carrier pigeon off course".

The details are:

Order ID: 2127087
User ID: 393839
Order Date: 30/09/2005

Extract Ordered:
MCCOLL, JAMES (Statutory Deaths 021/MR 0091)

Amongst my father's proclivities was a yen for pigeon pie but somehow I think my mother would have noticed him pointing a shotgun out of the window. :D

Sobil
Looking for John Robert McColl born around 1854, son of James? both shipwrights or similar possibly from Kilmacolm

sporran
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Re: carrir pigeons

Post by sporran » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:38 pm

Hello Sobil,


I have contacted a couple of people at SP and I am awaiting a reply.


Regards,

John