Parish relief.....

melody · Post by **melody** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:24 am

How can I find out if someone was on the parish relief in Graitney in 1861?

Thanks,

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:40 am

melody wrote:How can I find out if someone was on the parish relief in Graitney in 1861?

Thanks,

mlm

"Parish relief" is an English expression. The equivalent in Scotland was Poor Relief, from 1845 onwards.

Each Scottish parish hd an inspector of poor relief who interviewed those who applied and decided if they were to be granted "in-relief" through admission to the local poorhouse, or "out-relief" in the form of financial assistance, or assistance in kind.

The great majority of rural parishes got together to build a so-called combination poorhouse. Graitney or Gretna as it is better known was probably part of the Kirkpatrick-Fleming Combination. You need to contact the library in Dumfries to check what records if any are extant. See the Libraries area on this site for contact details.

David

Caroline · Post by **Caroline** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:07 pm

Hi Mim,

Some of the Dumfries Poor House Minutes are online:

http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalinde ... board.aspx

Who knows you might be lucky enough to find your ancestor mentioned!

Caroline

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:42 pm

Caroline wrote:Hi Mim,

Some of the Dumfries Poor House Minutes are online:

http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalinde ... board.aspx

Who knows you might be lucky enough to find your ancestor mentioned!

Caroline

Given the Graitney/Gretna location and the likelihood of a connection to the Kirkpatrick-Fleming Combination, I'd be surprised if a Graitney/Gretna resident is in the Dumfries Poor House, but the fact that some records for the Dumfries Poor House are extant must give some hope that there are extant Kirkpatrick-Fleming records.

In terms of the information that is available in Poor Relief records, the minutes are unlikely to be helpful unless your ancestor was such an exceptional applicant to be granted poor relief so that their case was detailed in the minutes.

The records that are of particular genealogical use are those of the reports prepared by the poor relief inspectors, on the basis of the interview following the application for poor relief. In Glasgow, and other areas in the West of Scotland, at least, these interviews provide a "mini-biography" ...........

David

Caroline · Post by **Caroline** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:02 pm

Caroline wrote: Some of the Dumfries Poor House Minutes are online:

Sorry I should have written Dumfries Poor Board Minutes!

Caroline

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:27 pm

Caroline wrote:
Caroline wrote: Some of the Dumfries Poor House Minutes are online:

Sorry I should have written Dumfries Poor Board Minutes!

Caroline

Nae prob !!

David

melody · Post by **melody** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:16 am

Thank you all so very much for your wonderfully informative replies, I really appreciate it.
Caroline, I notice that you are looking for a Rutherford in Urr. A few days back I came across Urr as a parish. Do you know where it is? I am trying to discover when and where my Jane Weild of Gretna also known as Jane Pennington married a Rutherford. I found a registration for her and Joseph Rutherford on May 21st 1867 in Gretna. But her parents weren't who I thought they should be. ( Her so called first husband and my great great grandfather is the mysterious David Pennington. He is invisible either side of the border.)
I found Jane Weild in the 1861 census for Gretna listed as unmarried. She has two sons, their names are David and William Pennington, and she is pregnant with my great grandfather. She is the one I was wondering if she received poor relief. Perhaps David Pennington senior sent her money but I sort of doubt it. I wondered if she had returned to the parish of her birth in order to get assistance. Or is that an English rule? Thanks again,

Post by **AndrewP** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:23 am

melody wrote:A few days back I came across Urr as a parish. Do you know where it is?

See the map at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/KKD/kkdpmap.htm and you will find Urr numbered 29, to the east of the centre of this map.

A similar map for Dumfriesshire can be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DFS/parish_map.html and it shows Gretna to be at the south-east corner of that county (number 16).

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

TD

Caroline · Post by **Caroline** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:00 pm

Hi again,

Yes my Rutherfords come from a little village in Urr called Haugh of Urr which is quite near Dalbeattie , but I think they were orginally from Kirkpatrick Durham parish which is just north of Urr. I haven't come across any Josephs in my research, but I wasn't sure from your post if you were certain of his christian name? Do you know where your Rutherford came from?

Caroline

melody · Post by **melody** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:11 pm

Hello
It's my Jane Weild again. On my great grandfather's marriage registration it gives his mother as Jane Rutherford, formerly Pennington, maiden surname Weild. I found a marriage in Gretna 1867 for a Jane Weild spinster and a Joseph Rutherford. (This would make sense as I don't think she and Pennington actually were married legally.) Joseph is 25 yrs old and illiterate. That's supposing his wife is the right Jane Weild. I am trying to find them together on the 1871 census to see if any of her 3 boys are living with them. SO far no luck. Did peopole border hop a lot back then?
Joseph lists his father as unknown and his mother as Helen Rutherford, servant.( Sorry I need to get organized because now I can't find what I wanted in Urr.) Thanks for the link to the poorboard minutes, there is a lot of wonderful stuff on that website.

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