Died at sea?

[jontodd]

I'm trying to find a death cert for my g/g/grandfather John Bleakley, born Ireland about 1850. He moved to Glasgow in the 1870's he lived and worked in Govan, Most of the certs I have for his family say he is either a,,,,,,,seaman at sea, ships stoker or ships fireman. he died between the years 1909 and 1929. I have carried out so many searches using different spelling but could find nothing. Its possible he may have died at sea, Where do I look?
many thanks
John Todd
Glasgow


Searching Todd,Bleakley and Warburtons from the Glasgow areas

[LesleyB]

Hi John
and a warm welcome to Talking Scot!

I had a quick look on Scotlands People just to see what turned up:
You searched for: Surname: "bl*kl*y";
Forename: "john*";
Year From: 1900; Year To: 1940; Birth Year: 1850; Birth Year Range: 5;

1 1901 BLACKLEY JOHN M 52 RENFREW /RENFREW
2 1905 BLACKLEY JOHN M 52 HAMILTON /LANARK
3 1915 BLACKLEY JOHN M 63 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON
4 1919 BLACKLEY JOHN M 65 SKELMORLIE /AYR
5 1924 BLACKLEY JOHN M 72 DALZIEL /LANARK
6 1925 BLACKLEY WILLIAM JOHN M 73 KIRKMICHAEL /AYR
7 1938 BLACKLEY JOHN M 85 IRVINE /AYR

...but you are probably only too familiar with this lot already! No sign of a John Bleakley but it seems pretty likely that his name, bring unusual, will have been mis-transcribed or spelt wrongly at some point. I maybe should have left the letter "l" out too.... and it could have been an "ie" at the end too. Hmm, could have done better... k

Best wishes
Lesley

[jontodd]

Thanks Lesley
As you said I had came across most of them but its really good to know there is someone out there willing to help
many thanks
John
Glasgow

[Alcluith]

Hi John

Welcome to TS

If you suspect that John Bleakley died at sea then a trip to The Mitchell Library will be the answer but be prepared for a long day. The have all the records for Death at sea each volume covers a year so about 20 volumes.

My Wife's grt grt grandfather was a stoker and I had the same sort of search and eventually found him in 1818 died at sea of natural causes.

It took my the best part of 4 hours but I was lucky with only 10 volumes before I found him.

It makes fascinating reading as it covers all ships around the world.

best of luck

[Jack]

Hi John,
Welcome to TalkingScot!
As you are in Glasgow, and you're able to visit, then searching the records at Park Circus might be worthwhile if you haven't already done so.
They now have Digital Images via the link-up to NRH, Edinburgh.

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/ ... ogyCentre/

The only downside is that you can't use *wildcards* like you can on Scotlandspeople; names are exactly as the GROS index.
But you could search through all known variants of the Bleakley name and tell at a glance if he's "yours" as the DC image is shown on the screen.
You can stipulate a minimum / maximum age.
The also have the indexes on fiche - but it would take a wee while to go through all the Glasgow Districts over a 20yr period.
(and this is hoping that John did die in Glasgow...)
Jack

[nelmit]

Hi John

Welcome to TS

If you suspect that John Bleakley died at sea then a trip to The Mitchell Library will be the answer but be prepared for a long day. The have all the records for Death at sea each volume covers a year so about 20 volumes.

My Wife's grt grt grandfather was a stoker and I had the same sort of search and eventually found him in 1818 died at sea of natural causes.

It took my the best part of 4 hours but I was lucky with only 10 volumes before I found him.

It makes fascinating reading as it covers all ships around the world.

best of luck

Drew,

Can you remember off hand the years the volumes covered as I suspect my gg grandfather George Murray, a merchant seaman, died at sea between 1861 and 1866. I have spent fortunes at Park Circus and SP trying to find him with no joy- but when I asked to see the registers at 'The Mitchell' I was told they did not have the years I was asking for.
I will ask again next time I'm there but I thought it was post 1880 she said they had.

regards,
Annette M

[jontodd]

Thanks to all . looks like a long day for me on Friday in the Mitchell

John

[LesleyB]

Hi John

looks like a long day for me on Friday in the Mitchell

Good luck with it.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Alcluith]

Nelmit
You are of course correct only after 1880s and it does not contain deaths of all fishermen lost at sea especially inshore fishermen
My mistake so used to prefixing dates with 18 instead of 19
My James Burns died at sea 1918 of natural causes.

John

Incidentally James was born in Ireland and therefore it stated, in the death at sea register, that his death was registered in Ireland.
Despite considerable amount of calls, emails and cost I was unable to find any death registration anywhere apart from this document.

[nelmit]

Nelmit
You are of course correct only after 1880s and it does not contain deaths of all fishermen lost at sea especially inshore fishermen
My mistake so used to prefixing dates with 18 instead of 19
My James Burns died at sea 1918 of natural causes.

John

Incidentally James was born in Ireland and therefore it stated, in the death at sea register, that his death was registered in Ireland.
Despite considerable amount of calls, emails and cost I was unable to find any death registration anywhere apart from this document.

Foiled again - only a genealogist could get the century wrong, I've done it many times.

I was interested to read your message to John as I know nothing about my G G Granfather except his name was George Murray a Seaman and lived in Peterhead with his wife Mary Davidson. Does this mean if he died at sea then his death would be registered in Peterhead?
The only evidence I have that he actually existed (apart from the IGI) is that he registered one of his children's births.

Kind regards,
Annette M