Finding info. from birth cert. from parents not married ?...

[Moreen Blair]

Birth cert- District High Church, Glasgow.
Kirkwood
Joseph Milne, 12 March 1858, father Joseph Milne, mother Janet Kirkwood

On the side of this cert there is a petition that is hard to read, but it seems to indicate that on the 2nd July it was found that Joseph Milne was the father of the above child.

I can not find Joseph Milne or Miller, in the 1861 or 1871 Census. He does appear in the 1881 Census as Joseph Miller, boarder, Cambuslang.

Joseph Miller gets married on 29 Sept 1882 in Cambuslang to Mary Jones, Church of Scotland. Joseph Miller, reputed father, deceased, mother Janet Kirkwood, M.S. Kirkwood.

I want to get back one generation, however there are no birth dates for the parents of Joseph born 1858, and too many Miller's Milne's and Kirkwoods.

Anyone have any ideas for me?
Thank you
Moreen

[Jack]

Hi Moreen,
This looks like wee Joseph in 1861 - but sorry no more details as it's from a name index.
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1861 cens 652-1 Ed 9 p 22 lines 5-7 (Old Monkland)
Jane KIRKWOOD, 57, b Govan, RFW
Janet KIRKWOOD, 24, b Tollcross, LKS
Joseph MILLER, 3, b Barony, Glasgow, LKS
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Jack
ps, noticed on the Rootsweb Lanark List.
Margaret McCreadie from Alberta asked...
"I wonder if anyone has information on the 1861 census for Glasgow.
Looking for Joseph Miller Born 1859 Glasgow, mother Janet Kirkwood. unmarried.
She could be living with her parents but I don't know their names."
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[Moreen Blair]

Thank you Jack, I do not know how I missed this on Scotland's People, I am very grateful to you.
Moreen

[Jack]

Hi Moreen,
Here are 2 censuses, and could you tell me,
what was the occupation of young Joseph MILLER's reputed father on his 1882 Cambuslang MC?
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The Johnstons relationships to John 28 in 1851 were blank, but most likely it should've been wife & children.

1851 cens 622 (606) Ed 16 p 21 (Shettleston)
Auchenshuggle, Tollcross.
John JOHNSTON, head, marr, 28, coal miner, b Edinburgh, MLN
Catherine JOHNSTON, ---, marr, 26, ----------b Barony, LKS
William JOHNSTON, ---, 5, scholar, b Barony, LKS [as Walter in 1861]
Jane JOHNSTON, ---, 3, --------------b Barony, LKS
Dempster JOHNSTON, ---, 1, ---------b Shettleston, LKS
Jane KIRKWOOD, mother-in-law, widow, 50, servant & labourer, b Govan, RFW
Janet KIRKWOOD, sis-in-law, u/m 16, dye work worker, cotton, b Shettleston, LKS
&
1861 cens 652-1 Ed 9 pp 21-22 (Old Monkland)
Camp Row, Baillieston.
John JOHNSTONE, head, marr, 36, coal miner, b South Leith, Edinburgh.
Catherine JOHNSTONE, wife, marr, 35, --------b Tollcross, LKS
Walter JOHNSTONE, son, 15, coal miner, b Tollcross, LKS
Jannet JOHNSTONE, daur, 13, domestick, b Tollcross, LKS
Isabella JOHNSTONE, daur, 9, at school, b Tollcross, LKS
Catherine JOHNSTONE, daur, 7, -----------b Tollcross, LKS
John JOHNSTONE, son, 5, -------------------b Barony Parish, Glasgow, LKS
Simon JOHNSTONE, son, 3, ------------------b Barony Parish, Glasgow, LKS
Dempster JOHNSTONE, son, 1, -----------------b Old Monkland, LKS
Jane KIRKWOOD, mother-in-law, widow, 59, ----b Govan, RFW [it is 59yrs]
Janet KIRKWOOD, sis-in-law, u/m 24, ------------b Tollcross, LKS
Joseph MILLER, nephew, 3, -----------------------b Barony, Glasgow, LKS
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Jack
ps, Margaret McCreadie has been in touch with me - glad to see you are both working on Joseph.

[Moreen Blair]

Hi Jack
Thank you so much for all of the great information. I am very grateful.
In answer to you question - Joseph Miller's reputed father on his wedding cert was a coal miner.
Moreen

[Jack]

Hi Moreen,
I hadn't intended to build up your hopes, and i'm sorry if i have.
I'd been looking for any Joseph "MILNE" / "MILLER", coalminer, in the Shettleston area 1851 that might be suitable,
and this Joseph MILLAR was the only one anywhere near in name.
I can't see a Joseph "MILNE", or similar name, in the area.

The Joseph below is ages with Janet KIRKWOOD, but that means nothing,
and he could well be an innocent party, and i'm doing him a great injustice by accusing him!
But i can't see any way of proving that he is, or isn't, wee Joseph's father....
There's always the possibilty that wee Joseph's father only worked in Shettleston for a short time around 1857,
and had even left the area before he was born in 1858.
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1851 cens 622 (606) Ed 13 p 12 (Shettleston)
Tollcross.
John MONRO, head, marr, 25, labourer (mason), b Ireland
Elsa MONRO, wife, marr, 26, -----------------------b Ireland
Jane MONRO, daur, under 1mo, -----------------b Shettleston, LKS
Susan CAVENY, mother-in-law, widow, 56, ----b Ireland
William MILLAR, lodger, u/m 18, miner (coal), b Ireland
Joseph MILLAR, lodger, u/m 16, miner (coal), b Ireland
Rebeca MILLAR, lodger, 12, ------------------------b Ireland
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Jack
ps, meant to say, at least you now know who Joseph 22 was boarding with in Cambuslang 1881 - his aunt & uncle!

[Moreen Blair]

Hi Jack,
Thank you for your continued efforts to find Joseph Milne.
Yes I see that Joseph Miller was more than a boarder in the house
where you found him. In fact the witness at his wedding was Peter
Johnston, his cousin, though I did not realise it at the time.
Moreen