Carruthers family doing my head in 1881 .....

ellenavon · Post by **ellenavon** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:58 pm

Hi everyone

Wonder if some fresh eyes can find what I can not.........

I'm looking for the following family on the 1881 (I have the cds):

Robert Carruthers, 56, Ag Lab or some kind of MS, b. Dumfries.
Margaret Carruthers ms Kirkpatrick, 44/45, b. Dumfries.
John, 16
Jane, 14/15
Isabella Roddan Currie, 12/13
Mary, 10/11
David, 6/7 all children born Dumfries

I have them on the 1871 at Rosebank Lodge, Dumfries.

I believe that Robert either died or deserted the family or had some kind of job that had him away from home sometime between then and 1881. There is an outside possibility of a death on SP of a 40year old Robert Carruthers on the Marine Register - but of course no image.

There are several applications to the Poor Board in Margaret Kirkpatrick/Carruther's name, in 1872, 1873 and 1881.
(Bless her, on 9th May 1873, her allowance was reduced from 3/- to 2/- or the Poorhouse, "till the clothing she gave away is paid up"

)

I don't have the full details of these entries yet, only what I've been able to get online, as won't be able to get to Dumfries for a wee while.

On Margaret's death cert at the age of 35 in 1882, she is noted as widow of Robert Carruthers.

I can not find any of them on the 1881. Have even checked England, just in case, although there is no evidence of them having moved away from Dumfries at any point.

At her daughter Isabella's marraige in LOchmaben in 1893, dad Robert is noted as deceased, but mum Margaret is not - but I do have the death cert for 1882

Any help would be much appreciated.

NB finding them on the 1881 won't move me forward any, but its bugging me something rotten that I can't find them!

Post by **AndrewP** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:13 pm

Hi Ellen,

Every possibility they were in Dumfries in 1881 and you cannot find them on the census. The census reports from half of Dumfries and the whole of Dunscore for 1881 are missing, and so are not to be found on the LDS CDs, ScotlandsPeople, in NRH, or on microfilm in the various libraries.

viewtopic.php?t=1369

Probably not the answer you wanted.

All the best,

AndrewP

ellenavon · Post by **ellenavon** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:07 pm

Oh, thank goodness Andrew - I was beginning to think I had lost my marbles, not just the census info.

Oh well have made quite a bit of progress on this family today anyway, without the 1881.

Many thanks for reassuring me. And I've taken a note of the list this time, so as not to get caught out again!

Kind Regards

Ellen.

GaryCarruthers · Post by **GaryCarruthers** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:29 am

Hi Ellen,
I have the Carruthers side of your family going back a long way. Would you like to contact me at <garcar1ATbigpond.com>
Regards
Gary Carruthers

1. JOHN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 17 Apr 1769
Birth Place: ST MUNGO, LOCHMABEN
Christen Date: 1769
Christen Place: ST MUNGO
Death Date: 4 Dec 1860
Death Place: TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES
Burial Date: 1860
Burial Place: CAERLAVEROCK
Occupation: FARMER OF 164 ACRES EMPLOYING 5 LABOURERS

1851 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES, HOUSEHOLD 31/8

On his death cert it reads
John Carruthers, Farmer, a widower- died 1860 Dec 4th at Trohoughton, Parish of Dumfries- aged 91 years. Father - James Carruthers, proprietor of Guileburn, St Mungo parish, deceased. Died of old age and decay of nature, no medical attendant. Buried at Caerlaverock church yard, cerified by James Geddes, Sexton. Signed by John Carruthers, son of the deceased.

Headstone reads:-

I.M.O. Elizabeth Carruthers, daughter to John Carruthers, farmer at Trohoughton, who died the 28th Feb 1826 aged 29 years.

Also Isabel Rodden his spouse who died 6th Oct 1831 aged 29(?) years.

Also the above John Carruthers who died 4th Dec 1860 aged 91 years.

Also Mary crosbie spouse to John Carruthers jnr who died 6th Jan 1864 aged 48 years.

Also Jessie his daughter who died there 22nd April 1877 aged 2 years & 11 months.

Also the said John Carruthers who died there 15th Dec 1891 aged 78 years.

Also Mary Gracie, widow of the above who died at Cargencroft, Troqueer 8th Feb 1903 aged 66 years

Notes from the St Mungo OPR:

17th April 1769 - Birth of John natural son to Jessica Bell, late of Breckonhill and according to her confession, James Carruthers in Guileburn, but acknowledged some time later

Spouse: ISABEL RODDAN
Birth Place: ST MUNGO, LOCHMABEN
Death Date: 6 Oct 1831
Death Place: TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

Children: UNNAMED
JANE (JEAN)
JAMES
ELIZABETH
MARY
JOHN

1.1 CARRUTHERS
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Children: ROBERT

1.1.1 ROBERT CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1824/1825
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Occupation: FARM SERVANT

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES - HE IS LISTED AS NEPHEW OF JOHN CARRUTHERS (HE IS NOT A SON OF JOHNS BROTHER - JAMES SO UNLESS HE IS THE SON OF ONE OF JOHNS SISTERS THEN THEIR MUST BE ANOTHER BROTHER!

1.2 JANE (JEAN) CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: About 1792
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Spouse: JOHN KIRKPATRICK
Birth Date: About 1788
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Children: THOMAS
MARGARET

1.2.1 THOMAS KIRKPATRICK
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Birth Date: 1829
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

1.2.2 MARGARET KIRKPATRICK
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Spouse: ROBERT CARRUTHERS

Children: John
Jane
ISABELLA RODDAN CURRIE
Mary
David

1.2.2.1 John CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 4 Apr 1865
Birth Place: Dumfries, Scotland

Notes:
Batch #: C118211, Source Call #: 6035516 REGISTER

1.2.2.2 Jane CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 27 Jun 1866
Birth Place: Dumfries, Scotland

Notes:
Batch #: C118211, Source Call #: 6035516 REGISTER

1.2.2.3 ISABELLA RODDAN CURRIE CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 11 Jun 1868
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
Census 1871 at Rosebank Lodge, Dumfries

1.2.2.4 Mary CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 22 Aug 1870
Birth Place: Dumfries, Scotland

Notes:
Batch #: C118211, Source Call #: 6035516 REGISTER

1.2.2.5 David CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: About 1874

1.3a JAMES CARRUTHERS*
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Birth Date: 1802/1803
Birth Place: TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 16 Nov 1861
Death Place: HAYFIELD, KIRKPATRICK-FLEMING
Occupation: FARMER OF 158 ACRES AT KELWOOD, DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

Spouse: ANN HUTCHESON
Birth Date: 1801
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 19 Dec 1836
Death Place: BARNKINE-MOOR, DUMFRIES

Marriage Date: About 1823

Children: MARGARET
ISABELLA
SELINIA
JOHN
ROBERT
MARY

Other Spouses MARY CARRUTHERS
JANE FRANCIS SLOAN

1.3a.1 MARGARET CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1824/1825
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 19 Apr 1855
Death Place: KELWOOD

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

1.3a.2 ISABELLA CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1826/1827
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

1.3a.3 SELINIA CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1828/1829
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

1.3a.4 JOHN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1832/1833
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES, HOUSEHOLD 32/73

1.3a.5 ROBERT CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1834/1835
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 28 Jun 1898
Death Place: HOLLANDS COTTAGE, CAERLAVEROCK
Occupation: PLOUGHMAN
Medical: DIED FROM CEREBRAL APOPLEXY

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

Spouse: ISABELLA KERR
Birth Date: 1832
Birth Place: DALTON
Death Date: 27 Jul 1876
Death Place: NEWMAINS, CAERLAVEROCK
Spouse Father: JOHN KERR
Spouse Mother: AGNES JOHNSTON

Marriage Date: 20 Jan 1854
Marriage Place: TORTHORWALD

Children: AGNES
JAMES
JOHN
MARGARET BLACKSTOCK
ROBERT
HELLEN
MARY ANN
WILLIAM ALEXANDER

1.3a.5.1 AGNES CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 25 Aug 1854
Birth Place: TORTHORWALD
Death Date: 17 Sep 1887
Death Place: DUMFRIES

Spouse: JAMES NEISHAM

Marriage Date: 1877
Marriage Place: CAERLAVEROCK

1.3a.5.2 JAMES CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 28 Apr 1856
Birth Place: CAERLAVEROCK
Death Date: 28 Nov 1936
Death Place: CARRUTHERSTOWN, DFS
Occupation: FARM SERVANT AT BARSHILL, TINWALD

Notes:
23.12.1893
A CAERLAVEROCK WEDDING : GUESTS IN COURT.
The next case occupied a long time in the hearing, and evoked not a little interest on the part of the audience in court. Six men were called to answer to a charge that on 2nd inst. , at the farm steading of East Park, Caerlaverock, tenanted by Mr David Edgar, they commited a breach of the peace by behaving in a drunken, disorderly, and outrageous manner, cursing and swearing and using threatening and abusive language; and further, that they assaulted David Burgess, the constable stationed at Glencaple, beat him on the head, and knocked him down to the effusion of blood. The names of the accused were ; Sam Bennet jnr, fisherman, Church Steet, Maxwelltown; Wm. McMinn, carter, and John Laurie, quarryman, Greenbrae; James McMinn snr, labourer, Greenbrae Loaning; James McMinn jnr, horse breaker, Burnhead,Penpont; and Thomas McMinn, horse breaker, Store Buildings, South Queensberry Street, Dumfries. James McMinn jnr, was unable to appear on account of an accident. The others pleaded not guilty, and were defended by Mr Jonathan E. Blacklock, solicitor, Dumfries.
It appeared that a daughter of Mr Edgar's ploughman, James Carruthers, had been married to Thomas McMinn, one of the accused, on the first of the month. Mr Edgar had granted the use of the barn for the young couple to entertain their wedding guests. A company variously stated as numbering from sixty to ninety assembled, and a jollification was kept up from seven o'clock in the evening to five the next morning, there being a good lot of drink going. Mr Edgar stated that, being apprehensive of his property, he stayed up all night,mainly keeping company with constable Burgess, whom he had secured for emergencies. There was a series of disturbances the whole night commencing about half past ten o'clock and lasting till half past two. It appeared from Mr Edgar's and the constable's evidence that a few of the company were in the house of the bride's father, where the marriage took place. At the request of Mr Carruthers, and on complaint, the constable went to the house and found two men in one room- one on the top of a chair and the other holding on to him. He put Bennet , who was the worse of drink, out. Meanwhile Mr Edgar was seeing to the yoking of the horses to the traps that were to drive to Glencaple. When the constable came out of the house a man, who, he said, was Imrie, came up and asked him what he was wanting there, and jostled him. The constable pushed him aside, and the man being the worse of drink fell. Thereupon about half a dozen men surrounded Burgess and told him that striking one meant striking them all. Burgess next went into the barn to see Mr Edgar, and not finding him, returned to the open, being followed by a number of men, who shouted threateningly. The constable hurried towards Mr Edgar's house, but before he reached it he was knocked down, with the result that he was unconscious for some time, his face and part of his forehead skinned by the fall on to the stones, and his side made black and blue. He got up and was assisted to the house, where Mrs Edgar attended to him. He could not say who struck him. Mr Edgar afterwards cleared out the barn, but about three o'clock allowed dancing, which had been interrupted, to be resumed. By that time a goodly number of the company had left and there was no disturbance afterwards. Burgess only spoke to seeing Imrie, Thomas McMinn, Bennet, and James McMinn, who was not present. The defence sought to show that some feeling had been engendered by a remark made by the constable to one of the women guests. With regard to the bridegroom, it was held that, having taken a fainting fit, he could not have taken part in the alleged riot when Burgess was assaulted. As to Imrie, it appeared that he too, had been married the same day, and he was represented as being in the company of his wife for most of the evening.
The Sheriff was inclined to think that the charge of assault would fail to be dismissed. He was all the more glad to say so because these offences were always seriously punished. The court very seldom gave accused the option of a fine for assaulting constables in the execution of their duty. At the outset there was only a very small proportion of the wedding party following the constable, and he identied absolutely none of those who followed him. The whole affair seemed a very extraordinary one altogether. Mr Edgar started with the resolution to be up all night himself, and not only so but sent for the constable to keep order. His lordship had no doubt there was what might be technically called a breach of the peace if the noise and fighting were to be so described. That part of the case did not seem to him to be so serious, so that accused might be let off for it as well as for the alleged assault. The charges were accordingly found not proven.

Children: ESTHER

1.3a.5.3a JOHN CARRUTHERS*
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Birth Date: 23 Mar 1858
Birth Place: BROOMHILLS, APPLEGARTH
Death Date: 17 Dec 1929
Burial Date: 1929
Burial Place: ST MICHAELS, RUTHWELL
Occupation: PLOUGHMAN IN 1882, GAS WORKS STOKER IN 1895 IN GLASGOW
Medical: DIED FROM MYOCARDITIS

Notes:
LIVED AT 192 WADDELL ST, GLASGOW IN 1895

Spouse: JANE SHARP
Birth Date: 1856
Birth Place: APPLEGARTH, LOCHMABEN
Death Date: 21 May 1895
Death Place: 192 WADDELL ST, GLASGOW
Occupation: DAIRYMAID
Medical: DIED OF CHRONIC BRIGHTO DISEASE, PREMATURE DELIVERY, URAEMIA
Spouse Father: JOHN SHARP
Spouse Mother: ELIZA STURGEON

Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1882
Marriage Place: MILLHOUSE No 5 APPLEGARTH

Children: JOHN SHARP
CATHERINE SHARP
ROBERT
ISABELLA
JOHN JAMES
ELIZABETH

Other Spouses ELIZABETH HANNAH CARTER

1.3a.5.3b JOHN CARRUTHERS*
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(See above)

Spouse: ELIZABETH HANNAH CARTER
Birth Date: 1857
Death Date: 23 Jul 1937
Death Place: CARRUTHERS COTTAGES, DUMFRIES
Spouse Father: ADAM CARTER
Spouse Mother: JANE MILLER

Spouse Notes:
SHE WAS LIVING AT 5 HIGH ST, DUMFRIES BEFORE MARRIAGE

Marriage Date: 2 Aug 1895
Marriage Place: 313 CROWN ST, HUTCHESON, GLASGOW

Other Spouses JANE SHARP

1.3a.5.4 MARGARET BLACKSTOCK CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1860
Birth Place: TROQUEER
Death Date: 29 Jan 1929
Death Place: CAERLAVEROCK

1.3a.5.5 ROBERT CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1861
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Occupation: RAILWAY PORTER AT WEST GREENOCK IN 1881

Notes:
SIGNED FATHERS DEATH CERTIFICATE IN 1898

1.3a.5.6 HELLEN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 16 Jan 1868
Birth Place: INGLESTON COTTAGE, IRONGRAY, KIRKCUDBRIGHT
Death Date: 21 Jan 1950
Death Place: 14 WALLACE ST, AYR

Spouse: GEORGE RITCHIE
Birth Date: 1867/1868
Death Date: 17 Jul 1944
Death Place: NORTH COTTAGE, CARRUTHERSTOWN
Burial Date: 1944
Burial Place: RUTHWELL

Spouse Notes:
RUTHWELL:
IN LOVING MEMORY OF
GEORGE RITCHIE, BELOVED HUSBAND OF HELEN CARRUTHERS, WHO DIED AT NORTH COTTAGE, CARRUTHERSTOWN, 17TH JULY 1944 AGED 76 YEARS.
ALSO HIS WIFE, HELEN CARRUTHERS, WHO DIED AT 14 WALLACE STREET, AYR 21ST JAN 1950 AGED 81 YEARS.

Marriage Date: 1891
Marriage Place: CAERLAVEROCK

1.3a.5.7 MARY ANN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 11 Nov 1871
Birth Place: CAERLAVEROCK
Death Date: 27 Nov 1961
Death Place: 3 GRANGE PLACE, MOFFAT

Spouse: ROBERT MURRAY

Marriage Date: 1894
Marriage Place: Caerlaverock, Dumfries

1.3a.5.8 WILLIAM ALEXANDER CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1874
Birth Place: CAERLAVEROCK

1.3a.6 MARY CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1836
Death Date: 22 Feb 1840

1.3b JAMES CARRUTHERS*
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(See above)

Spouse: MARY CARRUTHERS
Birth Date: 1813/1814
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 14 May 1852
Death Place: KELWOOD, DUMFRIES

Spouse Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

Marriage Date: 26 Nov 1838
Marriage Place: Dumfries

Children: THOMAS
ALEXANDER
MARY ANN

Other Spouses ANN HUTCHESON
JANE FRANCIS SLOAN

1.3b.1 THOMAS CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1840/1841
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: After 16 Nov 1861

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73
SIGNED FATHERS DEATH CERT

1.3b.2 ALEXANDER CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1841/1842
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 24 Oct 1866
Death Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

1.3b.3 MARY ANN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1843/1844
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR KELWOOD, DUMFRIES 32/73

1.3c JAMES CARRUTHERS*
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(See above)

Spouse: JANE FRANCIS SLOAN
Birth Date: 1810/1814
Death Date: 3 Jul 1876
Death Place: DUMFRIES
Medical: DIED FROM BRONCHITIS
Spouse Father: THOMAS SLOAN
Spouse Mother: JEANNIE WILSON

Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1854
Marriage Place: DUMFRIES

Children: JAMES

Other Spouses ANN HUTCHESON
MARY CARRUTHERS

1.3c.1 JAMES CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: About 1854

Notes:
SIGNED MOTHERS DEATH CERTIFICATE IN 1876

1.4 ELIZABETH CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1797
Birth Place: TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 28 Feb 1826
Death Place: TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

1.5 MARY CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1808/1809
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES, HOUSEHOLD 31/8

1.6a JOHN CARRUTHERS*
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Birth Date: 1814/1815
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 15 Dec 1891
Death Place: TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES, HOUSEHOLD 31/8

1871 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

Spouse: MARY CROSBIE
Birth Date: 1816
Birth Place: CAERLAVEROCK
Death Date: 6 Jan 1864
Death Place: TROHOUGHTON

Spouse Notes:
Crosbie family is also being researched by:
maureenATgallusglass.com

Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1846
Marriage Place: Dumfries

Children: ISABELLA RODDAN
WILLIAM CROSBIE
JOHN

Other Spouses MARY GRACIE

1.6a.1 ISABELLA RODDAN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 20 Aug 1847
Birth Place: DUMFRIES
Christen Date: 23 Oct 1847
Christen Place: DUMFRIES
Death Date: 3 Sep 1919
Death Place: MELROSE COTTAGE, ECCLEFECHAN

Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES, HOUSEHOLD 31/8

MIs Hoddam Church

In Memory of Isabella Rodden Carruthers beloved wife of James Coulter who died at Melrose Cottage Ecclefechan 3rd Sept 1919 aged 72 years also the above James Coulter who died at Glasgow 5th Feb 1924 aged 80 years

Spouse: JAMES COULTER
Birth Date: 1843
Birth Place: KIRKMAHOE, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 5 Feb 1924
Death Place: GLASGOW, LANCASHIRE
Occupation: FARM OVERSEER AT BROOMHILL COTTAGE, LOCHMABEN

Spouse Notes:
MIs Hoddam Church

In Memory of Isabella Rodden Carruthers beloved wife of James Coulter who died at Melrose Cottage Ecclefechan 3rd Sept 1919 aged 72 years also the above James Coulter who died at Glasgow 5th Feb 1924 aged 80 years

Marriage Date: 25 Aug 1867
Marriage Place: TROHOUGHTON

Children: JOHN
JAMES
MARY AGNES
WILLIAM

1.6a.1.1 JOHN COULTER
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Birth Date: 1872
Birth Place: NEWABY, KIRKCUDBRIGHT

1.6a.1.2 JAMES COULTER
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Birth Date: 1874
Birth Place: NEWABY, KIRKCUDBRIGHT

1.6a.1.3 MARY AGNES COULTER
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Birth Date: 1876
Birth Place: NEWABY, KIRKCUDBRIGHT

1.6a.1.4 WILLIAM COULTER
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Birth Date: 1879
Birth Place: NEWABY, KIRKCUDBRIGHT

1.6a.2 WILLIAM CROSBIE CARRUTHERS SNR
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Birth Date: 23 May 1851
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1871 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

Spouse: CATHERINE JACKSON WATTS
Spouse Father: WILLIAM WATTS
Spouse Mother: MARY JACKSON

Children: WILLIAM CROSBIE

1.6a.2.1 WILLIAM CROSBIE CARRUTHERS JNR
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Birth Date: 1878
Christen Date: 2 Mar 1878
Christen Place: GILLFOOT, TROQUEER

Notes:
1891 CENSUS FOR ISLE OF MAN ROSS CARTHAGENA FARM - UNCLE THOMAS'S HOME

1.6a.3 JOHN CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 17 Aug 1853
Birth Place: DUMFRIES

Notes:
1871 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

1.6b JOHN CARRUTHERS*
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(See above)

Spouse: MARY GRACIE
Birth Date: 1833
Birth Place: ST MUNGO
Death Date: 8 Feb 1903
Death Place: CARGENGILL, TROQUEER, KIRKUDBRIGHTSHIRE
Spouse Father: JOHN GRACIE
Spouse Mother: JANE CLERK

Spouse Notes:
1871 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

Marriage Date: 1866
Marriage Place: DUMFRIES

Children: ANDREW HYSLOP
MARY JANE
AGNES
JESSIE

Other Spouses MARY CROSBIE

1.6b.1 ANDREW HYSLOP CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 24 Aug 1867
Birth Place: Dumfries, Scotland

Notes:
Batch #: C118211, Source Call #: 6035516 REGISTER

1871 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

1.6b.2 MARY JANE CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 19 Aug 1869
Birth Place: Dumfries, Scotland

Notes:
Batch #: C118211, Source Call #: 6035516 REGISTER

1871 CENSUS FOR TROHOUGHTON, DUMFRIES

1.6b.3 AGNES CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 28 Aug 1871
Birth Place: Dumfries, Scotland

Notes:
Batch #: C118211, Source Call #: 6035516 REGISTER

1.6b.4 JESSIE CARRUTHERS
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Birth Date: 1874
Birth Place: TROHOUGHTON
Death Date: 22 Apr 1877
Death Place: TROHOUGHTON

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Post by **Anne H** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:04 am

Hi Gary,

Welcome to TalkingScot [talkingscot]

What a fantastic first post

I'm sure Ellen will be overjoyed at getting all this information

What a lot of research to share.

I loved the report about the wedding...too bad it isn't my family, there's so much great information there!

Regards,
Anne H

hg · Post by hg » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:13 am

Hi Gary,

Thank you for cheering me up with your first posting. The bit about the wedding was hilarious. It reminded me of a carry on film.

I bet Ellen is realy excited to get all of this information.

Helen

Post by **joette** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:11 pm

I was checking the names in case some of mine were in & about the jollifications

Welcome & thanks for giving us such a laugh-not forgetting the very detailed info.

ellenavon · Post by **ellenavon** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:13 am

Hi Gary

Welcome to TalkingScot - and thanks a million for all of this info.

The Carruthers family belong to a friend, for whom I did a tree some time ago for his mother's 80th birthday. It will be great to do an update for her - and I'm sure she'll love the colour added by the wedding story

I'm off to cross reference what I have and have not, and will e mail you. Hopefully I may be able to reciprocate with some Carruthers info to add to yours.

Thanks again, and enjoy TalkingScot.

Ellen.