A brick wall .....

carmentea32 · Post by **carmentea32** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:34 pm

I found my ggg grandfather Thomas Samson in 1861, 1871 and 1881 census. According to these census, his dob would be between 1828 and 1831, place Kilmarnock. Died in Glasgow 6 Dec. 1912. Parents: Peter Robertson Samson born 6 Oct 1806 and m. Agnes Catherine Hendry 26 Jun 1829. Peter was a housepainter.
I have been unable to find Thomas’ birth. I’ve looked for ALL Samsons born within a 10-year period after parents’ marriage, but parents don’t match. Have not found either parents in 1841 or 1851 census. I did find a Thomas and James Samson in the 1841 census in Kilmarnock, dob 1829 and 1832, the rest of the household names are not familiar. It might be my Thomas.

I’ve also looked for the deaths of Peter and Agnes, but no luck. They may have died before 1855.

Any ideas? Could it be possible that parents married, left Scotland, and had children abroad? Then returned to Kilmarnock when Thomas was small. This might explain why I can’t find Thomas’ birth.

This is more than a brick wall, it’s a concrete wall! All ideas, suggestions welcome. Thanks in advance

Post by **Liz Turner** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:08 pm

Hello there!

You don't say if you searched on SP for Thomas Samson's birth? I've no credits at the moment, but a search for Sa*s* births between 1827 and 1831 throws up 16 on one page - it might be worth a look to see if any match up - if you've not already done that.

You've probably already got this lot from the IGI - apologies if you've already done that.

THOMAS SAMSON Gender: Male Birth: 20 NOV 1821
THOMAS SAMSON Gender: Male Christening: 09 DEC 1821 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
THOMAS SAMPSON Gender: Male Christening: 19 JAN 1823 Ratho, Midlothian, Scotland
THOMAS SAMPSON Gender: Male Birth: 27 NOV 1826 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Thos. Sampson Gender: Male Birth: About 1830 Of Hugginfield, , Lanark, Scotland
Thomas Sampson Gender: Male Birth: About 1830 Of Hugginfield, , Lanark, Scotland
THOMAS SAMPSON Gender: Male Birth: 21 APR 1831 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
Thomas Samson Gender: Male Birth: About 1839 Muirkirk, Ayr, Scotland
Thomas Samson Gender: Male Birth: 1840 Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland Thomas Samson Gender: Male Birth: 1840 Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland

Do you know when Thomas died?

Good luck.

Liz

carmentea32 · Post by **carmentea32** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:19 am

Hi Liz
thanks for replying. I did look on SP, checked for Sam*son* males, got 3 pages - none of the parents match.
I've also had a look on the IGI - nothing either.
I do have Thomas' death certificate. He died in Glasgow in 1912. According to the certificate, his dob would be 1831 in Kilmarnock.
What strikes me as very strange, is the fact that I can't find ANY of his siblings (I'm sure he must have had some). That's what's leading me to think he was not born in Scotland but went there when he was very small. Couldn't find his parents or him on the 1841 census either!!

Post by **Liz Turner** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:20 am

Is there an outside possiblity that the name Samson could have been misheard and Sim(p)son?? and misrecorded. Might be worth checking in the areas where you think he might have been .....

Otherwise I'm stumped.

carmentea32 · Post by **carmentea32** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:35 pm

will do that Liz, but I'm not holding my breath!

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:20 pm

carmentea

I've just been on the Kenny Monaghan Headstone site looking for someone else. In the list of headstones for Kilmarnock, there is a Thomas Samson. No other details. However if you write to the webmaster, he will send you a photo of the headstone, which may contain some useful information for you. Worth a try.

www.monaghan95.freeserve.co.uk/

Best wishes

Catriona

carmentea32 · Post by **carmentea32** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:23 pm

Hi Catriona, what a lovely site! Sorry, I'm technically dimwitted, how do I contact the webmaster?
thanks for your help
Carmen

editted to say that I found an email for him!

Geoff · Post by **Geoff** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:35 am

My brother notified me about your search. Peter Robertson Samson is my ggg grandfather! We live in Brisbane Australia. Peter's son, James migrated to Australia in mid 1850s and after a while dropped the last name, so the family became Robertson. We were aware of Thomas, but unable to find out anything about him.

Great to hear about you!

Regards,
Geoff (Robertson)

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:03 am

Hi Geoff
...and a warm wecome to Talking Scot

That's great that you have noticed a connection.

Best wishes
Lesley

carmentea32 · Post by **carmentea32** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:42 pm

Hi Geoff! Yes we are definitely connected, as Peter Robertson Samson is my ggg grandfather. I've been in touch with your brother too!
This is sooo exciting!!

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