I think I found a mistake 1881 Census .....

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I think I found a mistake 1881 Census .....

Post by emanday » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:32 pm

I'm trying to follow a lead that might indicate that one of my previous brick walls isn't. Here's the thing (with ages in brackets).

1871 Census - Joseph (47) and Catherine (37) Bonner are together with their family.
1879 - Joseph dies (55)
1880 - Joseph's daughter, Catherine (21) marries Peter Diamond (25)

1881 Census - Peter and Catherine now have a son, Joseph Bonner Diamond.
1881 Census - Catherine (47), Joseph's widow and her remaining children are together, but she has been listed as Catherine DIAMOND, while her children are all Bonner's!

I'm hoping someone out there can calm my shattered nerves before I do start ](*,)

How did Catherine end up with her DAUGHTER'S married surname?
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Post by AndrewP » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:48 am

Hi Mary,

Is there any possibility that Catherine (senior) had the maiden surname Diamond, and was using that when widowed?

That's my guess for you.

All the best,

AndrewP

A little later/
I think I have discounted that theory. I take it that is their 9 children on the IGI to Joseph Bonner and Catherine McKinlay in the Calton and Bridgeton areas of Glasgow. Possibly more children after 1875 when the IGI births stop. Or were their more children earlier, I see their marriage in 1851 in Barony.

So now what?
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Post by emanday » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:02 am

No, 'fraid not Andrew.

She was Catherine McKinley. If the kid's ages and surnames weren't right I'd think I'd got the wrong lot, but I'm sure I have.

I have searched to see if she might have remarried, perhaps to her son-in-law's relative (not his Dad - he was deceased), but can't find a 2nd marriage for her.

Have to say, if she did remarry and got widowed again between Joseph's death in 1879 and the 1881 census, she wasn't very lucky :shock:

I'm flummoxed :?
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Post by AndrewP » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:08 am

Hi Mary,

Does Catherine's death certificate shed any more light on the subject? (such as a re-marriage?)

All the best,

Andrew
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Post by joette » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:18 pm

Was she living in son-in-law's household?Could they just have dittoed the surname?Could she have been illeterate&son-in-law filled in schedule for her but put his own name on it by mistake(or her Daughter in the first flush of new name?)
Researching:SCOTT,Taylor,Young,VEITCH LINLEY,MIDLOTHIAN
WADDELL,ROSS,TORRANCE,GOVAN/DALMUIR/Clackmanannshire
CARR/LEITCH-Scotland,Ireland(County Donegal)
LINLEY/VEITCH-SASK.Canada
ALSO BROWN,MCKIMMIE,MCDOWALL,FRASER.
Greer/Grier,Jenkins/Jankins
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Post by emanday » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:58 pm

Andrew,

You've got the right couple. Haven't found any births pre-1855 (GROS sending me that one as it's illegible online). The one thing I could make out was that they both came from Donegal \:D/

Can't find a DC for Catherine at all, but will have another search once my card recovers from its current state of total shock.

Joette,

They are living at different addresses, but I wondered, like you, if maybe her daughter or son-in-law filled out the form for her.
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Re: I think I found a mistake 1881 Census

Post by DavidWW » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:36 pm

emanday wrote:I'm trying to follow a lead that might indicate that one of my previous brick walls isn't. Here's the thing (with ages in brackets).

1871 Census - Joseph (47) and Catherine (37) Bonner are together with their family.
1879 - Joseph dies (55)
1880 - Joseph's daughter, Catherine (21) marries Peter Diamond (25)

1881 Census - Peter and Catherine now have a son, Joseph Bonner Diamond.
1881 Census - Catherine (47), Joseph's widow and her remaining children are together, but she has been listed as Catherine DIAMOND, while her children are all Bonner's!

I'm hoping someone out there can calm my shattered nerves before I do start ](*,)

How did Catherine end up with her DAUGHTER'S married surname?
Mary is your 1881 info from the CD or from the microfilm?, - if the former, check the latter first, if you see what I mean :wink:

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Post by emanday » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:39 pm

It's from SP, David.

Question - What CD? You can buy a CD? Where a getit?

Added later - Of course I understood what you meant :D I'm three-quarter Irish :D
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Post by DavidWW » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:18 pm

emanday wrote:It's from SP, David.

Question - What CD? You can buy a CD? Where a getit?

Added later - Of course I understood what you meant :D I'm three-quarter Irish :D
Just to make it 100% clear for those who might not understand what's going on here, the version of the 1881 census available on ScotlandsPeople is no more than a transcript of the LDS data, which is known to have some serious errors.

My previous post recommended checking what was the actual entry in the 1881 enumeration book, as opposed to what was the LDS transcription, before getting too worried about the implications of a particular entry .......

David
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Post by emanday » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:02 am

My previous post recommended checking what was the actual entry in the 1881 enumeration book, as opposed to what was the LDS transcription, before getting too worried about the implications of a particular entry .......
How do I do that, David?

Also, where would I get a copy of Scottish 1881 census on CD?
[b]Mary[/b]
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McDonald or MacDonald (some couldn't make up their mind!), Bonner, Crichton, McKillop, Campbell, Cameron, Gitrig (+other spellings), Clark, Sloan, Stewart, McCutcheon, Ireland (the surname)
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