Mother's maiden name

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:07 pm

Having had enough of my brick walls for now I decided to help find my cousin's father's side of the family. As they were all Scots and NO Irish I was doing well, even venturing into the mysteries of OPRs, now I am stuck but I think it maybe because of a name on a wedding cert. I have put the cert. in the Gallery, I think, and am hoping some one can read it better than I can. I see the bride's mother's maiden name as Barbara Sutherland but I can't find any record of a marriage for her and John McIvor, and I can't find a birth cert for Ann McIvor. I have tried all kinds of wild cards and all kinds of places and times but still nothing. Could the name be something other than Sutherland?

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-998

Cathie

Gallery url added by marilyn

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:39 pm

CathieL wrote:Having had enough of my brick walls for now I decided to help find my cousin's father's side of the family. As they were all Scots and NO Irish I was doing well, even venturing into the mysteries of OPRs, now I am stuck but I think it maybe because of a name on a wedding cert. I have put the cert. in the Gallery, I think, and am hoping some one can read it better than I can. I see the bride's mother's maiden name as Barbara Sutherland but I can't find any record of a marriage for her and John McIvor, and I can't find a birth cert for Ann McIvor. I have tried all kinds of wild cards and all kinds of places and times but still nothing. Could the name be something other than Sutherland?

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-998

Cathie

Gallery url added by marilyn

Defintutely Barbara Sutherland !

David

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:47 pm

Hi Cathie

I would agree with david
Its Barbara Sutherland

Good Luck with your search

Karen

Jockbird · Post by **Jockbird** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:31 pm

Hi Cathie,

I agree it's Sutherland.

I was wondering if you perhaps had the 1891 census for Annie & Charles, as that would show where Annie believed she was born (as we know, not always the case). You could then look for A McIvor births in that neck of the woods for circa 1857.

Also, have you checked under Sutherland for her birth? It's just I've had some births where the child was reigstered under the maiden name of the mother, especially where there'd not yet been a marriage.

The other thing is her mother is not listed as deceased. I've tried a quick search on SP, sorry i've no credits to take it further, but there are only 13 deaths listed under Bar M*Ivor, unfortunately none have the other surname of Sutherland but it depends on what the informant knew.

Might also be worth trying to find Ann with her parents in the 1861 census, you'd then find where they all came from.

Sorry if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, it's just that I was going through the processes I'd go through.

Good luck.

Donna
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CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:57 pm

Thank you Marilyn, David, Karen and Donna
I had the 1891 census for Charles and Ann but was so busy looking at the children I never looked at Ann's birthplace and it was there, plain as day, Orkney, South Ronaldsay! I also should have thought to look for her birth in her mother's maiden name as Jack and Annette found my own grandmother's birth with her mother's maiden name. Anyway I found Ann McIver Sutherland born 1855 in Orkney and I'm back on a roll again. So my eyes were not letting me down yesterday it must have been that I was not playing with a full deck or I was not the brightest crayon in the box, whatever the current saying is.

Thank's again
Cathie =D>

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:02 pm

Thats great cathie

i hope you get on ok with the rest of your searching now

Karen

Jockbird · Post by **Jockbird** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:54 pm

That's great news Cathie and an 1855 certificate too, you lucky girl!

Good luck with the rest of the search.

All the best
Donna
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CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:57 am

Thanks Donna, the 1855 cert is the first I've ever seen as all of my own grandparents came from Ireland and they did not get to Scotland before 1871. The cert for Ann is very faint but I can make out that she was named Ann McIver Sutherland, no father is mentioned and her grandmother was the informant. The strange thing is the grandmother gave her maiden name, Betty Roary, but because of that I was able to find the grandmother and grandfather's wedding cert and all the births of their children including Barbara Sutherland. On Ann's birth cert I almost think it says second child but it is really faint and I can't find any other child born to Barbara. I checked the 1861 census and six year old Ann is living with her grandparents, there is only one other family member and that is an 11 year old grandson Charles Henderson, who he belongs to I have no idea. Any way I have found quite a lot and my credit card is complaining so I will stop looking for now and just put in order all that I have. I almost forgot to say that one of Barbara's brothers, died in 1855 and that cert is full of information but I can't make out very much because it is even fainter. Right now I am one happy little obsessed person $\:D/$
Cathie

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:46 am

Hi Cathie

I didn't view the 1855 image but if it's truly too faint to decipher easily then by all means send a contact form to GROS. They should post you a photocopy of the original that will be much easier to read. Just provide them with the GROS data number and details.

Best wishes
Jean

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:34 am

Hi Jean
I took your advise and contacted SP, as happy as I am at finding the certs I really would like a better look at them.
Thanks
Cathie

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