where is patrick gorman? .....

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:32 pm

Hi

i was trying to do some research yesterday for patrick gorman who was married to ann virtue. i foune out they had a son william who was born in old monkland in 1869. and that cert also said that they were married in 1843 in co. tyrone. i also know that they had a daughter matilda who was born in ireland.

patrick and ann died in langloan coatbridge in 1899 and 1900. so i thought i would get myself some credits for SP and check for census returns to try and find out if they had any more children.

i looked at various entries and i cant find them anywhere on the 1871, 1881 or 1891 census

so if anyone can help or make any suggestions i would be very greatful.

Karen

P.S. i also know that matilda gorman married john feathers in 1872 in old monkland. there is a poor relief record for her at the mitchell but just as i found it when i was in last week i had run out of time an didnt get time to view it. so that may shed some light also.

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:41 pm

Hi Karen

Do you have an approximate year of birth for Patrick and perhaps an occupation?

Here's Matilda in 1881, in case you don't have her.

Dwelling: 4 Stonecraigs Row
Census Place: Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203620 GRO Ref Volume 628 EnumDist 5 Page 31
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John FEATHERS M 36 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Furnace Filler
Matilda FEATHERS M 30 F Ireland
Rel: Wife
John FEATHERS 8 M Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Thomas FEATHERS 4 M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Agnes FEATHERS 2 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Martha FEATHERS 10 m F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur

Jean

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:55 pm

Hi Karen,

They are there in 1871 as Goreman. Patrick and Nancy with six children aged 0 to 22. Still no Matilda - could Matilda and Mary Ann be the same person?

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:05 pm

Hi Karen

Depending on the names Andrew has found in 1871, could this be them in 1881?

Dwelling: Ironworks Row Langloan 35
Census Place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203699 GRO Ref Volume 652-2 EnumDist 2 Page 10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Patrick GORMLY M 54 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Blast Furnace Keeper
Ann GORMLY M 53 F Ireland
Rel: Wife
Thomas GORMLY U 25 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
John GORMLY U 21 M Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Furnace Labourer
Alexander P. GORMLY U 16 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Unemployed
Elizabeth GORMLY U 14 F Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
William GORMLY U 11 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Fanny HARPER M 20 F Ireland
Rel: Visitor

Jean

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:13 pm

Hi Karen

Following on from the above, with a name like Ann Virtue there can't be many of them around

I did a parent search on the IGI for Patrick Gormley and Ann Virtue and there are 4 children there

Jean

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:18 pm

Hi Jean and Andrew

thanks for your replies. that indeed seems to be them and i know that patrick was a blast furnace filler so it seems to fit.

no wonder i couldnt find them last night the computer was getting thrown out of the window

i will go and look into the info you have given me.

thanks again

karen

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:46 pm

Hi Karen & Jean,

The Goreman family in the 1871 census were: Patrick (47), Nancy (45), Maryann (22), Thomas (16), John (12), Alex<sup>r</sup> (6), Eliza (4) and William (8mo). The parents and Maryann were all born in Ireland, the others were born in various parts of Lanarkshire.

Following Jean's 1881 find, I see them there in 1891 as Gormley: parents and three of the sons. As a bonus, the Irish counties are named for the parents' birthplaces.

All the best,

AndrewP

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:38 pm

Hi Andrew

thanks for all the info i will follow it up later.

i wish people would just keep one name and stick to it

karen

Chris Paton · Post by **Chris Paton** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:45 pm

Copies of the RC baptismal registers are held at National Archives of Scotland, and they sometimes state where the parents were from, though I don't know if it would be any more specific than County Tyrone. If Matilda was born in Ireland and then christened in Old Monkland after her birth, it may be worth a look.

Chris

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:49 pm

thanks chris

i will certainly try and look into that

karen