Where else can I look

dnowakowski1 · Post by **dnowakowski1** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:29 am

I am looking for my GGrandmother Eleanor Stewart. Her marriage registration states her father is George Stewart and her mother is Janet Bain. She married Charles Hutchison in 1874 and I can find her on every census after that. The census state she was born in Devon, Clackmannan(shire) about 1853. She was living on Stewart's Lane Kirkcaldy in 1874 when she got married.
Here is my problem, I cannot find a birth record for her anywhere and I cannot find her on any census before 1881. She is not on Scotlandspeople, LDS, Ancestry or anywhere else I have searched.
She named her daughter Eleanor "Stuart" Hutchison and I have searched under Stewart and Stuart without any results.
Does anyone have any other suggestions or thoughts, suggestion, ideas, bullets......

Janet

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:59 am

Hi Janet

Love the user name

!

Eleanor's mum was kicking around at least. You'll find her DC right there in Dysart in 1881. And once I got a handle on her hubbies occupation I then went for a wee rummage on Ancestry for a George any surname with Iron in the occupation (which only brings up 600+ on the 1861

) ....but a fast forward to S section and see what I found

1861 Scotland Census
about George Stewarte
Name: George Stewarte
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Janet
Gender: Male
Where born: St Cuthberts, Edinr
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy
Civil parish: Kirkcaldy
County: Fife
Address: Stewarts Lane
Occupation: Iron Turner
ED: 4
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 35
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_58
Household Members: Name Age
Crawford W Stewarte 12
Elenor D Stewarte 8
Elizbeth E Stewarte 14
George Stewarte 67
Janet Stewarte 42
Mary S Stewarte 6

Must be a silent "e" huh??? That just wasnt' fair was it?

I haven't checked SP but it may well be indexed with the same trailing e....

Best wishes
Jean

Oh.....and here's the family in 1851 before Eleanor had joined them...

1851 Scotland Census
about George Stewart
Name: George Stewart
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Janet
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh, Midlothian
Parish Number: 466
Civil parish: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Bankrow
Occupation: Turner Of Iron
ED: 2
Page: 43 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 168
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1851_96
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Bain 13
Margaret Bain 17
Crawford Stewart 2
Elizabeth Stewart 4
George Stewart 50
George Stewart 13
Janet Stewart 30

dnowakowski1 · Post by **dnowakowski1** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:16 am

Thank you, now please explain the process again. I have a lot of Irish in me and I am Polish by injection.....in other words I don't understand how you did it.
Janet

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:28 am

Ok....here's what I did.

First I viewed the MC of Eleanor and Charles to see if her parents were listed as living or deceased at the time of her marriage. And good news!! Her mum was still living in 1874 but her dad was deceased at that time. So then I searched for a death for her mum using just these parameters:

You searched for: Surname: "Stewart"; Use Soundex: Off; Forename: "J**"; Other Surname: "Bain"; Sex: "Female"; Year From: 1874; Year To: 1934;

The year range I guesstimated at! The J* allowed for all alternate spellings of Janet (Jean,Jean,Jessie,Jannet you name it!) I took a hugh leap of faith for the Stewart and Bain being spelt just like that.

The list of results? Less than a page full so 1 credit buys you 9 choices...

1 1900 STEWART JANE BAIN F 78 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/03 0115 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1931 STEWART JANE GODFREY AITKEN BAIN F 60 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 0440 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1925 STEWART JANE TELFORD BAIN F 69 LESLIE /FIFE 444/00 0035 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1877 STEWART JANET BAIN F 67 ROTHES /MORAY 141/00 0013 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1880 STEWART JANET BAIN F 75 LOGIE /PERTH 374/00 0018 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1881 STEWART JANET BAIN F 63 DYSART /FIFE 426/00 0189 VIEW (PAID) ORDER
7 1919 STEWART JANET BAIN F 77 GREENOCK EAST /RENFREW 564/01 0494 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
8 1898 STEWART JESSIE ARNOTT BAIN F 79 CALTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/04 0529 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
9 1932 STEWART MARGARET JOAN BAIN F 65 HAYMARKET EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0466 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

And studying over the list and noting locations and names I felt luck was pulling me to Dysart.....(what can I say? It was my first guess!!)
So after viewing the image and seeing that her son in law had been the informant I knew I had the right lady

and I also knew her husband had been an Iron Turner cause I couldn't really read the occupation on the MC in 1874.

Then it got easy...just as I said....logged onto Ancestry.com and ran a search in the 1861 census index and that Stewarte spelling leapt off the page at me.

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **paddyscar** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:57 am

Welcome to TalkingScot, Janet!

On ScotlandsPeople, I checked the OPRs (Old Parish Registers) for the surname 'Stewarte' and there is only 1 person in the Births and Baptisms - a female born/baptised in 1833, but her parents are neither George nor Janet.

There are no records for the surname 'Stewarte' in the Births from 1855 onward. There is a Mary S. Stewart but she was born in 1858, which doesn't correspond to the age given in the 1861 census.

Frances

dnowakowski1 · Post by **dnowakowski1** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:14 am

Jean, I get it now. My next question is how did you get the marriage certidicate ? I had to go on Scotlands people and pay for it.
Just so you know, I actually did have the same census saved but the birth dates were so different that I just didn't put it together.
Do you speak Polish. I am still searching for my husband's relatives.

And please forgive me, I am new to the Scotland side. I have spent the last year tracing my Irish roots through the U.S. I now correspond with many cousins I never knew I had and I hope to find many more. My When my Grandparents came to Canada they lived in northern Canada and there was a great forest fire that burned their house down which means we don't have any pictures or family history.
Shame on me, I took information from LDS for George Stewart and Janet Bain as gospel and was using those birth dates for my searches. Live and learn
Thanks so much again, I really appreciate your help.
Janet

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:33 am

Hi Janet

Sorry....no Polish spoken around my house......but I do have my own share of Irish I've yet to get nailed down! So see..... you're one up on me there! And yes the Marriage and Death images I searched and viewed were all on the ScotlandsPeople website but I had some credits to spare so no prob.

I'm assuming the info from the IGI you were using to establish ages then was submitted and not extracted? That can make a difference in reliability.....but remember too that census records are far from infallible!!

They're not a primary source of data. Folks rounded their ages or the enumerators might have done it for them.....especially in 1841 it was standard practice! The only sure thing is the original birth record.....and in Eleanor's case it might not exist becasue it looks like she was born just before 1855. I haven't searched for it yet in the OPR records on SP but assume maybe you have?

Please ask if you have more questions. There are lots of folks around here who like to help. I"m not sure if any are good with the Polish records but you never know.............

Best wishes
Jean

dnowakowski1 · Post by **dnowakowski1** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:13 pm

Let me correct my comment on the census. I didn't have the census with Elenor Stewarte on it. It was that fancy spelling that threw me.
I do have another question if you don't mind. How the heck do you keep all of these people straight? I was doing pretty well I thought until I found out that all of my ancestors had 8 to 13 children and they all have the same name.
One more question; which is the correct terminology when referring to people from Scotland is it Scott's or Scottish.
I will be back on the boards soon but right now I have a few new goodies to put in order.
Thanks again, Janet

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:54 pm

dnowakowski1 wrote:Let me correct my comment on the census. I didn't have the census with Elenor Stewarte on it. It was that fancy spelling that threw me.
I do have another question if you don't mind. How the heck do you keep all of these people straight? I was doing pretty well I thought until I found out that all of my ancestors had 8 to 13 children and they all have the same name.
One more question; which is the correct terminology when referring to people from Scotland is it Scott's or Scottish.
I will be back on the boards soon but right now I have a few new goodies to put in order.
Thanks again, Janet

People are Scots, and people in Scotland are Scottish.

A century or more ago it was perfectly correct to use the adjective Scotch, but, in today's world that can meet with strong opinions that the term is only correct for whisky, mist and a few other things, - there's a thread here somewhere ............

David

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killearnan · Post by **killearnan** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:18 pm

dnowakowski1 wrote: I do have another question if you don't mind. How the heck do you keep all of these people straight? I was doing pretty well I thought until I found out that all of my ancestors had 8 to 13 children and they all have the same name.
Thanks again, Janet

Computer program....... I'm partial to The Master Genealogist but the free Personal Ancestral File that you can download from familysearch.org works well to start with. I strongly recommend learning to use a genealogy program if you intend to do anything more than look up a name or two. Definitely worth the (short-term) time and effort to learn over the long run, as it saves lots of frustration.....

When I'm thinking on a set of people asked about here or on an email list, I often draw trees to help me get everyone straight. A blank sheet of paper and a pencil can go a long way towards boosting my ever-less-reliable memory.

I do find that I get to know my research targets a bit --- so I've actually found it easier to keep track of people when I know more about them.

BJ

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